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    Scientist's guide to insulting other scientists: let the mud fly
    By Paul Knoepfler | June 5th 2012 06:23 PM | 5 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    I've been in science as a PI for about a half dozen years, but before that I was a postdoc for a long (let's say indeterminate) time and a grad student and before that a technician. 

    Over all those years I've witnessed scientists saying and writing some pretty horrible things about each other...sadly sometimes these insults have been written about me in grant critiques. It took me a while sometimes to even realize I was being insulted.
     
    In fact, many times these cut throat insults are slightly covert, especially to newbs or non-scientists.

    Therefore, on my blog today I posted a guide to insulting other scientists and let's just say the response has been overwhelming in terms of this list of 10 insults ringing true and hitting below the belt (or should I saw below the lab coat pocket). 

    Amongst the insults include publishing in specialized journals, being a good educator, and paradoxically being called a "very good scientist". 

    There's a lot more pain and irony as well in that posting so read on.

    Have these comments been said about you? Have you said them about others? Do you know rejoice for having new ammunition to attack your nemesis? 

    It's all there.

    In fact, already I have a new list in the works of 10 even nastier ways scientists insult each other from my readers' suggestions that I'm going to post tomorrow. Stay tuned! If you have more ideas for how scientists insult each other let me know. I didn't realize I was sort of creating a monster, but it's an interesting monster. Amongst the new, more biting insults for other scientists include "wonderful mother".

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    Hfarmer
    I have some more matterial for you. 
    For your blog 
    https://www.ipscell.com/2012/05/dirty-dozen-easy-steps-to-killing-a-paper-during-review-elephant-in-the-lab-series/ 


    Add, "Simply say that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, without explaining just what type of evidence you would consider extraordinary or how one is supposed to get that without assistance (that a published paper can facilitate.)"

    As for insults, when you are really on the outside of what many think a scientist should be they are not thinly veiled at all.  
    Science advances as much by mistakes as by plans.
    pknoepfler
    Thanks, Hontas! These are great points. I guess they are not so thinly veiled, but the ones doing the insulting perhaps think they are? 
    Paul S. Knoepfler, Ph.D. Associate Professor UC Davis School of Medicine http://www.ipscell.com
    Hfarmer
     I guess they are not so thinly veiled, but the ones doing the insulting perhaps think they are?  


    Exactly.  I would really like to give details but for legal reasons I can't. 
    Science advances as much by mistakes as by plans.
    UvaE
    Very good scientist. Wait, that sounds positive, right? Wrong. In science, “very good” means bad. Even “excellent” is kind of borderline. You think Stanford or Harvard have grade inflation problems? Ha, nothing compared to science where being called “excellent”, for example in a grant, might bring someone to tears. 
    I was unaware of the first part, and as for the second part, by coincidence I was thinking about writing something about grade inflation, having seen it closeup for decades.

    The Stand-Up Physicist
    I would argue from experience that being called a good scientist at least makes the person writing that be more careful.  When the writer calls you a crank, they are more likely to reveal their vitriol.  It has some overlap to racism.  Here in the North, we fought for the freedom of slaves, so the racism is discussed in term of "bad neighborhoods".  The South had separate and unequal, so was easier to point out.  Those battle continue, doing what we can to save the value of white people's homes while eliminating any equity that poor people have in their homes.

    One of the more impressive exchanges was on a post where after a long five hour drive back from New jersey, I quickly wrote up a post on group theory and thought one thing was 6 when I should have gone with a 3.  All kinds of harsh stuff came back and I had to retract the darn post, felt shame.  What was interesting was that one person kept on commenting about the technical stuff.  I screwed the pooch in public, but we went on for a short while about technical stuff (cosets as it turns out).  I do try to avoid insulting people who insult me as it makes no progress on technical issues.