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    Lucid Dreaming And Consciousness
    By Samuel Kenyon | June 28th 2010 01:53 AM | 12 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    Arising at the crack of 1pm last Saturday, I remembered the last thing I dreamt. I was in a classroom setting, designing part of another class by making a list of movies to view and discuss for that subject. And I was in control, making this list consciously, so the dream was at least partially lucid.

    The reason I say partially is that my experience with lucid dreams is that sometimes I'm aware that I'm dreaming. And sometimes I can control what I'm doing. But other times I'm in control and conscious but I'm not quite at that point of realizing I'm in a dream. It's possible those are full lucid states, but I simply wasn't paying attention to the signs of unreality as I was focused on something else.

    A recent New Scientist article [1] points out publications last year (primarily of Ursula Voss and Allan Hobson) that try to find neurological correlations of lucid dreaming.  Furthermore, these researchers want to use lucid dreaming to explore a primary-secondary theory of consciousness. As Jessica Hamzelou explains in the New Scientist article:

    Gerald Edelman at the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California, proposed that there are two possible states of consciousness, which he called primary and secondary consciousness. Primary consciousness is the simple subjective experience of sensory perception and emotions, which could be applied to most animals. It's a state of "just being, feeling, floating", according to Ursula Voss at the University of Frankfurt in Germany.

    The mental life of your common or garden human, however, is a lot more complicated. That's because we are "aware of being aware". This allows us to reflect upon ourselves and our feelings and, in an ideal world, make insightful decisions and judgments. This state, dubbed secondary consciousness, is thought to be unique to humans.
    So, on the premise that there is secondary and primary consciousness, lucid dreaming may be dreaming with secondary consciousness active, whereas non-lucid dreaming involves only primary consciousness.

    The study of Ursula Voss et al [2] conducted at Frankfurt University found differences in the brain patterns (measured with EEG and CSD (current source densities)) between lucid sleep, REM sleep, and waking with eyes closed. It's only a small amount of data, but it helps show that lucid sleep is not just a part of REM sleep, but shares correlations with waking.

    Some other info that may be of interest to those who want to conduct lucid experiments: Only half of the subjects could enter lucid states in the laboratory, even though all of them claimed to have lucid dreams beforehand in non-laboratory settings. The researchers were not able to induce lucid dreaming in the subjects with machines--the only reliable way was for the subjects to self-induce lucidity. The duration of lucid states was ambiguous. This experiment ended up with only three recorded lucid episodes. As the report admits, there are still major methodological issues.

    Due to the types of measurement, Voss was not able to test the hypothesis that the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex (DLPfC) would light up in lucid dreaming, as compared to REM sleep in which the DLPfC takes a break. If DLPfC is a site of "executive ego" than it should be active in dreaming when one is lucid but not otherwise and may correlate with Edelman's secondary consciousness.

    Allan Hobson of Harvard Medical School, another researcher mentioned in the New Scientist article, wrote a paper last year about the pros and cons of using lucid dreaming as a tool for investigating the neuroscience of consciousness [3]. He references the Voss experiment, and like Voss points out the untested hypothesis that the DLPfC should activate in dream states that are lucid. Hobson also references studies led by Michael Czisch that used MRI to measure differences in lucid dreaming (according to Hobson). The imaging showed that certain frontal, temporal, and occipital regions have increased activation during lucid sleep--regions distinctly human as compared to macaque monkeys. Since those regions might be key for consciousness research, we might have a way to test aspects of consciousness built into our brains that we have hardly exploited.

    A commentary of Hobson's paper by Don Kuiken of the Department of Psychology, University of Alberta, was recently published [4]. A possibility Kuiken points out is that perhaps in non-lucid states the brain uses an alternate form of self-regulation similar to that in musical improvisation. It is interesting that the brain might be using the same patterns when playing jazz as when in REM sleep--going with the flow. So, as Kuiken offers, non-lucid sleep regulation and "responsiveness to 'what comes'" might also be important for consciousness research.

    References

    [1] Hamzelou, J. "Want to find your mind? Learn to direct your dreams," New Scientist, no.2764, 15 June 2010.

    [2] Voss U, Holzmann R, Tuin I, Hobson A. "Lucid dreaming: a state of consciousness with features of both waking and non-lucid dreaming," SLEEP, vol.32, no.9, pp.1191-1200, 2009.

    [3] Hobson, J.A. "The neurobiology of consciousness: Lucid dreaming wakes up," International Journal of Dream Research, vol.2, no.2, pp.41-44, 2009.

    [4] Kuiken, D. "Primary and secondary consciousness during dreaming: Commentary on 'The neurobiology of consciousness: Lucid dreaming wakes up' by J. Allan Hobson," International Journal of Dream Research, vol.3, no.1, pp.21-25, 2010.

    Comments

    marichriaddi
    Dreaming While Awake by Arnold Mindell is an excellent book about lucid dreaming.
    SynapticNulship
    Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check it out. Although, I must say, I'm pretty skeptical based on the description of the book on Amazon.com.

    "Dreaming is the mystical source of reality, says Mindell."

    Yeah, sure it is.
    marichriaddi
    I don't know what that means. lol Here is one of my favorite quotes from the book.
    “By learning to have lucid dreams we are enlarging our experience of the mysterious. When we actively enter our nocturnal imaginations, we create another definition of ourselves as creative beings. It's an endeavor not everyone will care to undertake, but for those who do, this book will provide a map and a scientific description of what you might encounter along the way.”
    Dreaming While Awake by Arnold Mindell, pg. 20

    Really, though, it was a book that opened my eyes and also reaffirmed a lot of things I hold dear and true in my heart regarding my dreams. All I know is that since I have learned to dream lucidly, my life and being has been impacted in very powerful ways. I shudder to think who I would be or what I would be doing if I didn't learn to dream...
    SynapticNulship
    The problem is that terms like "mystical" and, in this context, "mysterious," are big buckets to throw everything an author doesn't understand.  Once they're in that bucket, no attempt is made to investigate the truth.

    I certainly don't want to disparage a book that you enjoy--to some, a book of poetry can open their eyes and impact them in powerful ways.  And since I haven't read the book yet, perhaps it is useful for some as far as boosting creativity.

    But since this is a science website, I will always ask--what is behind so-called "mystical" and "mysterious" phenomena?  Once you figure it out, it is no longer mystical or mysterious.
    Aitch
    Eastern mystics have been passing wry comments to logic-minded westerners for ever
    No amount of logic will ever analyze mysticism into non-existence
    I don't, however, agree that there are just 2 types of consciousness, other than perhaps, 
    1) conscious, in the mystic sense and 2) conscious in the western teachings, which simply means - not unconscious.....however, it cannot be said to make one fully conscious mystically, by not being unconscious
    Most people don't even realise they aren't fully conscious
    Lucid dreaming can occur after too much stress, as well as being induced by other methods
    If what researchers are really after is true understanding of consciousness, they would need to focus on themselves and their own consciousness, rather than others, to remove the subjective/objective component of the study, as is suggested by all the best mystics
    Meditation is a good start......but Lucid dreaming is probably more appealing, as LSD received so much press as to its effects, when Timothy Leary experimented in the 60s
    A modern mystic scientist is probably Stephen La Berge

    http://www.mavericksofthemind.com/lab-int.htm

    Aitch
    marichriaddi
    That is the same question I want to know.
    It is my belief that quantum physics will attempt to go there and try to figure out what is behind a lucid dream. That is why I am a physics major. Physics seems to be the only field in science that attempts to explain EVERYTHING. I like that kind of boldness.
    On another note, it's nothing like a book of poetry. It didn't impact me on an emotional level, it was more on a conscious level. I have had lucid dreams since I was 19 years old. I always wanted to know where, why, and how it has affected me. I know it is a conscious thing, but is it strengthening the very core of my brain somehow? Is it affecting brainwaves or the field of energy that surrounds me? Basically, I had to know what it is doing to me and others around me. He talks about experiments that have taken place in regards to lucid dreaming from a psychology point of view. It begins with references to cultures where dreaming is highly valued and uses science to explain the experiences. I thought it was neat. I've read tons of lucid dreaming books and most of them are on such a beginner level that they are boring. Those are basically books to teach someone how to have a lucid dream. I haven't found many books on the type of lucid dreams I have and have had and always wanted to understand where these beautiful dreams came from! Sure, it doesn't have the answers to all my questions, which is one of the reasons why I'm going into the field of physics and will have to do my own research and instead of using psychology will use physics to explain lucid dreams. However, this was the book that made me want to use science to explain such incredible experiences.
    I've been researching Lucid Dreams recently and I have noticed there are a lot who want to experience Lucid Dreaming. I have been having Lucid Dreams since I was very young, I could make things happen, make objects appear, even wake myself up on command. It has become difficult though to have dreams at all. Many are suggesting the use of narcotics or even OTC drugs. I'd rather not since I didn't need them before.

    Would you suggest any readings dealing naturally with this? I'd rather just dream, controlling them defeats the purpose. I want to get away from reality. Not create my own.

    SynapticNulship
    How do you know you aren't dreaming?  You might be forgetting them when you wake up.
    This is very possible, I apologize for not being more precise.

    I remember every lucid dream I've had. Very clearly. Just recently have I not been able to remember dreams, much less be aware at the time. I enjoy dreaming, but living an imagination became some what exhausting.

    SynapticNulship
    I haven't researched how to resume dreaming and or stop lucid dreaming, so if you figure it out let us know.  The therapists on this site might have something to say.  And of course, if you want escapism there are plenty of other media besides dreams, such as novels, comic books, movies, computer games, IRL fantasy games, and if you want to be primitive and apathetic, narcotics.
    Thank you very much for the information. It's nice that I'm not taken as a joke or crazy. Thank you for that as well.

    there is a website to learn lucid dream http://www.youcanluciddream.com/. It is not finished yet, by owner is experienced lucid dreamer, you can write to him.