The Case for Solar System SETI
    By Jacob Haqq-Misra | March 3rd 2010 04:47 PM | 12 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments

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    MarshallBarnes
    The search for ETI is more complicated than anyone gives it credit for. For one, the assumption is that after so long a time, an advanced civilization should have risen capable of interstellar travel, etc, etc. This assumes that technological development rises along a steady trajectory and ignores completely the kinds of psychological, political, economic and sociological elements that often constrain, restrict, suppress and prevent technological and scientific progress.

    This conversation has already been broached at this article for the Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies where I raised the similar concerns. Those with the idea that there must be intelligent life in the universe and thus they must have developed to the point to even have deployed probes, ignore the very same constraints that they themselves put on those who believe that intelligent life has already been here. Setting aside the fact that there is no scientific evidence for extraterrestrial origins for UFOs, the level of skepticism present here could be matched or exceeded on  any arbitrary world you want to suggest. In our own history there have been skeptical elements that have worked against technological advancements. What if they had succeeded? Skepticism does not have a scientific basis. It can be prompted by a religious bias as well, and often has been. 

    There so many things working against the development of even the level of civilization that we have now, let alone anything more. It all comes down to mindset - why try to travel in space? For that matter, why try to fly? We take it for granted now that flight is possible, but one forgets how many attempts were made before there was success and how many people thought it would never work. Add to that the amazing short sightedness in realizing its potential, once it had been accomplished. What if, in the wake of the many fatal failed attempts at flight, there was a law past - for the public safety, to make attempts at manned flight illegal, just so no one else need lose their lives? That didn't happen here, but if the way people think now, was that way then, we still would be stuck on the ground. What if that scenario has happened elsewhere? No manned flight, probably no attempts at rockets either. Add skepticism to mix (for any random number of reasons) and you have a planet in lock down. 

    So we are confronted with the facts that religion, philosophy as well as a science based skepticism, could all equally as well prevent civilizations from not only becoming spacefarers but even having any interest in life in outer space.  It has almost happened here. So just as the odds are in favor of life being in the universe, the odds are equally against the development of advanced technology by any arbitrary intelligent life. If they are like the most advanced countries here, the chances of their having a spacefaring civilization are remote, after all there is only one country from this planet that has even been on the moon or sent probes to the outer regions of our solar system. Why hasn't anyone else done this? The answers could be easily be applied to intelligent life elsewhere. 

    So expectations of any advanced civilizations, based strictly on numbers of galaxies and the numbers of worlds in them, are Pollyanna-esque at best, and the result of a complete cluelessness, of the results of various forms of skepticism, at worse. I'm not saying that we shouldn't search, just pointing out the irony of the premise in the first place.


    It's worth reiterating that the Fermi paradox rests upon an extremely arrogant presumption -- that technologically advanced civilizations would necessarily seek interstellar travel. As if interstellar travel would be the greatest achievement of mankind (obviously) and only ignorant barbarians would fail to obsess over it to the point that they would overcome the massive physical barriers to interstellar flight.

    My feeling is that if a technologically advanced society developed a sustainable economy that allowed each member to live a fulfilling life, then why would they bother with the risks and deprivation of interstellar travel? Any species with a sustainable global economy would probably have quenched any expansionist impulse that they may have had in their less sophisticated stages of development.

    Regardless of that point, I still think that this is an interesting article. The detection of ET would be so profound that it is definitely worth keeping our eyes open for them.

    Gerhard Adam
    The galactic thin disk is ~10 billion years old, so enough time has elapsed for an advanced civilization to have colonized the Milky Way several times over by now.
    I'm sorry, but what is the basis for this statement?  The only civilization that we definitively know of hasn't been around for nearly that long, so why should there be an assumption of 10 billion years for colonization? 

    As Marshall pointed out, the presumption that natural selection leads to intelligence, which in turn leads to a cultural intelligence capable of space travel and colonization is hardly a foregone conclusion and is extremely unlikely even when viewed against the background of human evolution.  How many hundreds of thousands of years did humans exist before they got to a point of where they had a culture that supported mass developments, and then developed a methodology of science, and then finally discovered a means of long-range communication?

    Intelligence is not a biological destination and yet this is precisely what is presumed when discussing ETI.  There is nothing now or ever which has indicated that intelligence (such as humans) is anything except a short-term anomaly.  While we may not like to consider that possibility, it nevertheless represents a high probability given what we know about all biological systems.
    Mundus vult decipi
    Intelligence is not a biological destination and yet this is precisely what is presumed when discussing ETI.
    No, it is not a "biological" destination, it is a "memetic" destination and some memes have a cataclysmic effect on the biological substrate. We have seen memes wipe out whole races, they have come close to annihilating the entire species. But now they are on the verge of rendering the substrate irrelevant; biology will soon - a matter of a few hundred years - be superfluous and memes will decide for themselves what their goals in life are to be. Whether our descendents (they will be that, these meme-bearers are not feral robots) think curiousity a good thing or not is entirely up to them. They won't have the decision forced on them by 3.7 billion years of competition.

    So "Big White Hat" to you!  (I.e. that's the end of the subject.)
    Gerhard Adam
    ...memes will decide for themselves what their goals in life are to be...
    Of course, that's assuming that our non-memetic brethren don't simply get fed up with the tedium of dealing with such a self-absorbed species and annihilate us.  :)
    Mundus vult decipi
    Jake,

    A good piece, as usual.

    As a minor quibble, the Lagrange points are not a particularly good place to hide a small probe for a long time. As you say, Earth-Moon L4 & L5 are clean of non-anthropogenic probes down to ~1 m size. The survey bounds on the Jupiter Trojans are in the ~1 km range, so a probe could hide out there. However, unless that probe is actively adjusting its orbit, radiation pressure would push it off station. This merely means that we should keep our eyes open everywhere else as well.

    logicman
    On an earth-like planet, people may be earth-like perverse.  They would never reach the stars.  The argument goes something like this.

    Why send a probe to a neighboring star?  By the time it's half-way there it will be overtaken by something better that our descendents have sent.  So why bother?

    In politics, belief that our descendents will solve our current problems is the axiom of choice.
    Gerhard Adam
    Sending a probe is one thing, but to make contact defies all logic.  As I've stated elsewhere, besides the curiosity phase of knowing there's life, do people think we're suddenly going to become pen-pals?

    First contact with an intelligent alien species, would invariably result in the destruction of one or the other.  There is no plausible scenario that doesn't involve a tremendous risk for little or no benefit.
    Mundus vult decipi
    Why so certain?

    To me, that's about the equivalent of Sagan's idea that ET's must all be full up with super-human kindness, inconceivable technological and cultural sophistication, and bug-eyed love. (I love Sagan, I just don't know why he thought that.)

    I don't disagree there's a risk, or that the risk is potentially destruction. And it's hard to weigh. I'm for caution. But, invariably?

    I think the outrageous distances involved would make war or annihilation a chore. There'd have to be a purpose, and it would haver to outweigh the cost. What would motivate humanity to destroy an ET that lived 50 LY away? We'd need a powerful motive. I can't think of a good one except self-defense, which begs the question.

    Little benefit? IDK, assuming it didn't result in total annihilation, it seems even a slight exchange would yield outrageous benefits, to both. Even if they had nothing new in terms of science & tech to share, which I think is unlikely, it would be a field day for linguists.

    Yeah, pen pals, exactly - why not? I actually think that's the most likely outcome.

    Gerhard Adam
    BTW, my point about "first contact" was regarding physical contact, not simply radio signals.
    ...it seems even a slight exchange would yield outrageous benefits, to both...
    Based on what?  I can appreciate your point about linguistics, but that alone would take decades or even longer to achieve even the slightest bit of useful information exchange.  We wouldn't even have a context from which to evaluate their language.

    We can barely tolerate talking to each other here on planet earth.  Why is it always assumed that contacting another civilization would be different once the initial novelty wore off?
    We'd need a powerful motive.
    Why?  We barely need motives to do it amongst ourselves.  Granted that the distances may be prohibitive, and therefore, discouraging.   However, things would change radically regarding our attitudes if radio contact were actually established.

    It's similar to our trips to the moon.  When Apollo 11 landed on the moon everyone was ecstatic, however by the time Apollo 17 landed, few people even knew the mission took place.  This is the problem I see in this case, where an initial signal will generate all manner of excitement and interest, but subsequent messages will cause us to revert to our normal mode of interacting with unknown beings. 
    Mundus vult decipi
    I've seldom read or heard any interesting speculation about ET's. The most informative stuff is usually SciFi.

    This Fermi Paradox question (which isn't "where are they?" but really "why aren't they here?") assumes any ET would expand into the entire volume of the galaxy, and then leave detectable artifacts in every stellar system. Why assume that? For comparison, humans haven't even set foot on every island here on Earth - not even every inhabitable island - let alone left artifacts there. Why should we? Why should they?

    If there were 100,000 civilizations about like ours in the galaxy, we'd never know it. A more advanced civ would have to be pretty close and/or make a pretty big splash for us to notice (and they'd have to do it where we were looking). Why expect that?

    The ideas used in support - and in rebuttal - of ET's tell us more about us than about them.

    If there were 100,000 civilizations about like ours in the galaxy...
    ... every single one of them would be at least a thousand years ahead of us technologically. And 99% of them would have learned for a million years or more from the races that got there first.