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    Spanish Men Want Spanish Women To Be Thin More Than Spanish Women Do
    By News Staff | January 27th 2013 10:30 AM | 11 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments

    While the cultural debate of nationalized health care is whether or not to let obese people and smokers die(1), a new paper in Spain says males are pressuring women to be thin and it is making females less happy.

    The psychologists also contend that women who are not comfortable with their body perceive women with a normal body as a threat. Specifically, when these women see a "normal" body they experience feelings of displeasure and lack of control, since they feel they have not any control on their own body and cannot make it be as they want.

    The undergraduate surveys were conducted by psychologists at the Department of Personality, Evaluation and Psychological Treatment of the University of Granada. The results said that women who are not comfortable with their body feel embarrassed and uneasy when they see themselves in a picture or video, especially if they are imitating the poses of a professional model.

    The researchers performed four experimental studies with university students. 550 students participated in the first two studies (408 women and 142 men), 61 participated in the third study (28 women highly discomforted with their body and 33 moderately unsatisfied with their body) and 60 in the fourth study (30 healthy women satisfied with their body and 30 women with bulimia nervosa unsatisfied with their body).

    Blanca Ortega-Roldán Oliva, one of the authors of this study, explained that the bodies that most like men and women are those of professional female models with a normal weight. "Men and women found these bodies highly pleasing and stimulating, although they made them feel a lack of control. This means that a sexy and stimulating body makes people feel a lack of control, as these bodies are considered difficult to attain or even unattainable".

    The psychologists concluded that the body of a model with a normal weight negatively affects women that are highly unsatisfied with their body. Thus, unsatisfied women consider these bodies "unpleasant, very activating and unattainable (perception of lack of control)". The reason for this perception is that these women cannot objectively evaluate a normal body in emotional terms, since they cannot avoid comparing themselves with it. This makes them feel upset, as they feel their body does not meet their beauty standards.



    Spanish model Nereida Gallardo makes women feel self-conscious about their weight, and also about not being cool enough to smoke cigarettes.  Link: Livejournal

    The Ideal Woman in Spain

    In the light of the results of this study, the University of Granada researchers have demonstrated that the ideal woman in Spain does not coincide with that proposed by the media, which is currently the aesthetic and social standard. Thus, "Spanish men and women prefer the bodies of healthy models with normal weight". This fact "should be taken into account by the advertising and fashion industry and governments, so that they help prevent the growing incidence of body dissatisfaction and the associated eating disorders," the researchers recommend.

    Finally, social pressure on women's body might come from men, since they prefer thin women and stigmatize female obesity more than women. "Therefore, the conclusions drawn in this study should have an impact on programs aimed at preventing body dissatisfaction among women," Ortega-Roldán says.

    NOTE:


    (1) Do penalties for smokers and the obese make sense?  By Mike Stobbe, Associated Press Writer


    Comments

    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    The bodies that most like men and women are those of professional female models with a normal weight. "Men and women found these bodies highly pleasing and stimulating, although they made them feel a lack of control. This means that a sexy and stimulating body makes people feel a lack of control, as these bodies are considered difficult to attain or even unattainable"....
    Maybe its time to bring back fatter models to cheer us all up and help us feel in control? Getting fatter is something that is easily attainable by most people who are not starving in Third World countries.
    Thus, "Spanish men and women prefer the bodies of healthy models with normal weight". This fact "should be taken into account by the advertising and fashion industry and governments, so that they help prevent the growing incidence of body dissatisfaction and the associated eating disorders," the researchers recommend.

    Normal, healthy models with normal weight would be an improvement on the majority of tall, skinny, often unhealthy, always photoshopped models with fake boobs that we are currently afflicted with by most of the media. Maybe these mass produced, media images, photos and films showing anorexic models with their fake boobs, should have to display a public health warning next to them if they are causing healthy women so much body dissatisfaction and eating disorders?

    Finally, social pressure on women's body might come from men, since they prefer thin women and stigmatize female obesity more than women. "Therefore, the conclusions drawn in this study should have an impact on programs aimed at preventing body dissatisfaction among women," Ortega-Roldán says.



    What I want to know is what happened to all those men that used to be happy with the bodies  of size 16, full figured but shapely, sexy women like Marilyn Monroe and many others who were stars in that era? 



    I personally can't help wondering if these men that prefer very thin women who look like skinny teenager's with fake boobs are secretly, really just paedophiles, who aren't attracted to real, healthy, naturally full figured women?

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    Hank
    I personally can't help wondering if these men that prefer very thin women who look like skinny teenager's with fake boobs are secretly, really just paedophiles, who aren't attracted to real, healthy, naturally full figured women?
    This is the kind of sweeping, insulting, ill-conceived generalization that has made you famous. Yes, all men who may like thin women are now pedophiles. Helen has spoken on the Internet.
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    This is the kind of sweeping, insulting, ill-conceived generalization that has made you famous. Yes, all men who may like thin women are now pedophiles. Helen has spoken on the Internet.
    You know that's not what I said and since when have I been famous? You are the one who is famous for sweeping, insulting, black and white generalisations with no evidence to support them. Do you have any evidence now to back up your accusations against me? I doubt it. 

    This article is about a Spanish scientific study that has shown that women are being made to feel inadequate and unhappy about their perfectly healthy bodies and body shapes, if they are not conforming exactly to the media influenced, now men and women's ideals of what is constantly being  broadcasted as an ideal body. There have probably never been as many anorexia and bulimia nervosa eating disorders as there are nowadays, with so many anorexic, fake boob implanted, photo shopped unhealthy women being portrayed as the ideal body shape in the media 

    I have many friends who are both in and outside the fashion industry, who I am totally fed up with their obsessions with being as ultra thin as possible, constantly talking about and doing obsessive dieting and exercising, often with fake boobs to match or not match as the case may be, just because they think that this is the ideal body shape and weight and because this is constantly reaffirmed by the men that they come into contact with.  I don't care what you say below, Marilyn Monroe was never skinny and she had natural breasts. If she had been very skinny she woud probably have had small breasts, but of course there are exceptions and those women are naturally well endowed, good luck to them, they are overshadowed these days by the fake boob industry.

    Most of these women I know suffer terribly, and are very neurotic, even though some of them are fashion models being paid a lot to look like they do. The ones who aren't fashion models, who are often mothers, can't even enjoy cooking and eating with their families or in restaurants without being terrified they will put on a few ounces and then no one will love them or want them anymore. Or worse still they will feel 'out of control'. How sad.

    I also know many young, beautiful, slim women at my university who are working many hours as well as studying while saving up for their boob implants.  Why should they feel inadequate because they have small breasts? Once they have silicon breasts I think it is impossible for them to breastfeed. How can these women miss out on the joy of breastfeeding or enjoy a man fondling their silicone breasts when they are worried they might rupture and why would a man even enjoy squeezing fake, silicone breasts that might rupture?

    Yes, if I had to have a masectomy I would probably have silicon fake boobs put in, but I doubt if I would enjoy letting my husband squeeze them without worrying they might rupture or feel fake, hardly very enjoyable I imagine but obviously I might be wrong!
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    Hank
     I don't care what you say below, Marilyn Monroe was never skinny and she had natural breasts.
    This is the problem - you never care what anyone says if it defies your goofy new belief. Now we get to hear about how all your supermodel friends resent being skinny. Whatever. 

    She was a size 2. Okay, maybe that is fat to you but insisting she was fat means you are the problem, not men.  Men clearly thought she looked just fine the way she was but you are running around insisting she was a size 14 - you are so consumed by body image that a size 2 to you looks like a size 14.  Maybe you are neurotic?  Maybe you are a pedophile!  Why not, since you have now made two jackass, unfounded pop diagnoses of people you don't know in two separate comments.

    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    This is the problem - you never care what anyone says if it defies your goofy new belief. Now we get to hear about how all your supermodel friends resent being skinny. Whatever. 
    She was a size 2. Okay, maybe that is fat to you but insisting she was fat means you are the problem, not men. 
    The real problem is that you don't even read what I'm saying or if you do,  then you definitely don't understand what I'm saying, then you often just make up things that I haven't said and misquote and reply to me! I NEVER SAID THAT MARILYN MONROE WAS FAT, it was YOU who said that she was FAT in Some Like it Hot. 

    Now if you can spare just a few seconds out of your busy schedule writing multiple articles a day on multiple websites, maybe you would like to check the evidence for this simple fact, on this very same blog?  Alternatively, I will just agree with you that MARILYN MONROE WAS A SKINNY SIZE 2 not a healthy, naturally  full-figured, attractive woman, OK? You can't even buy clothes in shops here that are smaller than a size 6 and for any adult woman other than a midget to fit even a size 6 she has to be very tiny. So, you choose. 

    Its possible that Debbie Reynolds had Marilyn's clothes altered to fit her, as she was probably a size 2? It was hardly a scientific, archeological dig that uncovered Marilyn's clothes and stored them in a place where they could not be altered, was it? Anyway, I don't have any problem with her or Marilyn having a size 22 inch waist, mine was a 23 inch waist until I was 35 and I wasn't unhealthily skinny or anorexic either. Waist size means nothing, its the BMI that counts. Does anyone know what Monroe's BMI was?
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    Gerhard Adam
    We should never again hear anyone declare that Marilyn Monroe was a size 12, a size 14 or any other stand-in for full-figured, zaftig or plump. Fifteen thousand people have now seen dramatic evidence to the contrary. Monroe was, in fact, teeny-tiny.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-24/hollywood-auction-ends-myth-of-zaftig-marilyn-virginia-postrel.html
    Mundus vult decipi
    Hank
    I never understood those claims either, so I just assumed it was because I never stood next to her. In "Some Like It Hot" she was downright fat but in everything else she looked fine.  Yet this mythology has grown up that men in the 50s liked these size 16 women or whatever.  As the popularity of Jane Russell attested, men liked giant racks a lot more then than they do now.
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    Fifteen thousand people have now seen dramatic evidence to the contrary. Monroe was, in fact, teeny-tiny.


    OK Gerhard, maybe I should have posted this photo of Marilyn taken on the same day? I never said that she didn't have a tiny waist, I said she was shapely and full figured (I think).



    The difference is that anorexic, skinny models with fake boobs often don't have shapely waists and hips, they are usually straight up and down like pipe cleaners, except for the bulging, fake, silicone breasts of course.
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    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    Fifteen thousand people have now seen dramatic evidence to the contrary. Monroe was, in fact, teeny-tiny.

    No Gerhard, this is what teeny tiny, size 2, skinny with fake boobs looks like. She doesn't look much like Marilyn Monroe to me but then Spanish men who want Spanish women to be more thin might like this look and maybe you do too? 


    To me it looks like very scary anorexia and body mutilation combined  but then I'm not a 'healthy, heterosexual man' am I? I'm just a healthy heterosexual woman, who would like to see other healthy heterosexual women feel good about their bodies and not be aspiring to look like this...

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    Gerhard Adam
    What’s odd about that is the fact that our population as a whole has gotten much bigger since the 50s, and clothing manufacturers have actually changed the sizes to be more kind to our egos. Maybe at one point Marilyn did wear a size 16 dress, but it was probably more of what a size 12 is today.
    http://starcasm.net/archives/169858

    However, dress sizes are poorly standardized and have changed over time (Ref). A size 12 in the 1940-50s has become a size 6 now (Ref). So this information isn't very helpful.
    http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/5873/what-was-marilyn-monroes-dress-size
    Mundus vult decipi
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    Thanks for the links Gerhard. Yes, it does look as though dress sizes have changed over the years and that they are different between countries according to this international dress size converter an American size 14 is a 16 in the UK and Australia and a dress size 2 is a 4 in the UK and Australia etc. 

    I really enjoy shopping for clothes and one of my friends teenage twin daughters who is only about 5 foot 3 inches tall and is naturally very slim is a UK/Aus size 6. Every year when I'm buying them Xmas presents in the sales here, taking advantage of the season differences between the two countries, I find it very difficult to find many size 6 clothes in all the trendy surf and clothes shops in Byron Bay or anywhere. 

    The shop assistants tell me that they usually only get one size 6 and one size 16 in most clothes that they sell and these quickly go. I have NEVER seen a size 4 in any shop in my whole life, so i find it very difficult to believe that Marilyn Monroe with her voluptuous but healthy looking figure was a size 2 or 4 over here! 

    Maybe Debbie Reynolds did alter her clothes so that she could wear them, I seem to remember that Debbie Reynolds was quite tiny wasn't she and she definitely liked wearing  vintage clothing, which may be why she bought so many of Marilyn Monroe's old clothes :)

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