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    Why no progress in space travel?
    By Thor Russell | October 24th 2011 08:09 PM | 14 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    Many technologies progress at a rapid pace, some more slowly, but few appear to actually go backwards. Space travel is a rare exception so I thought about why that might be and what is the best way to progress it.

    Firstly lets consider the moon landings, a wonderful achievement with the technology at the time. So the first time, 

    "That’s one small step for a man, one giant leap for Mankind", and one massive budget.
    The second time its
    "One small step for Mankind, one massive bill", and on to one insignificant step for Mankind and still the same massive bill. 

    Its easy to see why the moon trips were cancelled, the budget stayed the same, but the benefit was ever diminishing. 

    Since then of course the solar system has been explored in ever more detail by unmanned spacecraft and there has discussion and controversy about which is best, manned or unmanned spaceflight.

    Even major technology magazines, government organizations etc think that putting human space travel to mars will change everything. It is not hard to find examples:
    http://spectrum.ieee.org/slideshow/aerospace/space-flight/slideshow-how-to-go-to-marsright-now

    However both approaches are both missing the point, to start with lets see what will happen if the mission to mars is a success.

    At first it will be celebrated as a great achievement like the moon landings, but the cost will be even more, and just like the moon landings won't go down with our current technology. It will then be abandoned just like the moon or at best will have a very small number of people there at extreme cost. Likewise what if we send probes to the far reaches of the solar system and explore most places in detail. Unless we find life, there will be the same problem. There will be no public enthusiasm to say map Europa in ever more detail once it has been done once, but it will still cost about the same amount for each mission.

    In terms of exploring the solar system we are not that far off from diminishing returns where further discoveries will fail to excite the general public and only add incremental knowledge and fill in gaps. 

    To advance further, it needs to be now about colonization and sustainability in space, and to talk about that we need to come right back to earth almost and address the root of all these problems, that is the cost of getting people and cargo into low earth orbit. It is impossible to make sustained and permanent progress while launch costs stay what they are.

    Now there are efforts being made in this area such as:
    http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/38867/?nlid=nldly&nld=2011-10-14

    More radical are the Space elevator:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator

    and Launch loop:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_loop

    If we were talking about getting ahead in the long term, rather than making small perhaps illusory steps in the short term then it would make sense to put the majority of the budgets of government space agencies toward solving these problems at the expense even of projects such as the next space telescope and of course just going back to the moon for the sake of it. That of course will be a hard sell, but it is necessary. 

    Once that has been conquered, then the capability to live, and build things in orbit should be developed. The more sustainable things are then, the cheaper it will be. The components of a large mission to Mars could be sent up in parts and assembled in orbit giving much more flexibility and cost reduction. The rockets could of course also be much smaller if the mission is not launched from Earth. It would then be very easy to launch multiple telescopes, missions to the point where small companies or organizations could do what they wanted at little cost in a short amount of time without needing to be part of a government project. All the science projects will then look after themselves.

    A good analogy for the current situation would be say you want to build a vehicle to go ever faster, and you start by inventing a bicycle and are impressed by how much better it is than running. However to make further progress you need to stop trying to make the bicycle better, lighter etc and even let it rust while you work on something different altogether, i.e. a car. 
    Future successful missions will not be launched all the way from Earth on a massive expensive rocket used once, so we should stop spending money on that kind of thing right away and spend more effort on potentially risky solutions as they are the only way to make permanent progress.

    Comments

    Hank
    I think once the cost becomes onerous and the benefit intangible the enthusiasm fades.   Anyone claiming we should spend billions for 'we might learn something' is going to be spinning their wheels, but that was always the case. 

    If a strategic resource is discovered that would be different and Robert Bigelow has invoked 'stop the communists' recently, since that worked in 1961. Otherwise, space travel is dead in the water.

    I do agree a risky basic research operation is more likely to have a breakthrough. The current government-funding model has shown it is not capable to doing much revolutionary work at all.
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    Thor Russell
    Thanks, that was my first blog post on science2.0. I was worried that people would comment on grammar etc rather than what I said.

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    Hank
    I think the audience waits until your second post before they invalidate what you say due to a spelling error.  :)
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    vongehr
    There is lots of progress in space travel. Probes are everywhere; Earth has eyes and hands and noses on Mars already for years. Indeed, the very fact that progress is no longer only measured by counting the number of human primates sticking national flags into rocks flying through space, that is already big progress. That China finds it still necessary to stabilize by stirring their citizens' nationalism, and that many in the Western world also desire to turn back the clock should all not cloud your judgement. ;-)
    Thor Russell
    OK so what do you think the next step will/should be and how should progress be measured? Do you not agree that a self-sustaining colony say on the moon of your maybe not so favorite primates would be a real step forward? Whether its human or machine based, how is progress to be made without drastic lowering of launch costs?
    Thor Russell
    vongehr
    Oh, I surely agree that a self-sustaining colony of human primates on the moon would be an amazing step forward progressing toward a self-sustaining colony of human primates on Mars. A red flag on the red planet - how fitting. And you are correct with that progress is being made by lowering launch costs, which are very much bound to weight. So we agree that lifting nano-probes is much progress over lifting primates, toilets, flags, ... .
    I also like your 'walk - bike - car' analogy by the way: walk - bike - car - muscle car - SUV - Prius - bike - walk - sit still being plugged into the net flying through virtual reality. I think we agree. ;-)
    Thor Russell
    The only thing then to be decided then is whether I will understand your sarcasm before your physics articles then ;-)
    Thor Russell
    Gerhard Adam
    I also think that we need to stop being so naive.  The kind of effort being considered has never been sufficiently justified solely by the acquisition of knowledge.  The "Age of Exploration" is a misnomer, since it was almost exclusively the "Age of Economic Expansion".  Even Columbus' argument for his first trip was formulated around economics and economic gain.

    So, for us to consider further adventures in space or colonies, we need to recognize that without an economic component, it will never happen.  Almost nothing we've accomplished in human technology has been the result of doing something "better".  It's been the result of economic incentives (or government subsidy).

    The idea of getting the public interested is a measure that is doomed to fail, because it depends on gaining some altruistic behavior to rationalize spending for which little or no return is expected.  This isn't to say that tangential benefits can't happen by solving technical problems, but those are never the primary incentive to gain public interest or support.  It's a faulty "sales" argument, because it attempts to use public money to fund research, so that later someone can profit by the products that the public helped subsidize.

    Until we, as a society, figure out how to sustain what we have built, we will invariably find that the perpetual growth myth is going to be stifling us.  It already appears that we have managed to build a society that we can't afford to maintain, so without some serious rethinking of our economic models and the future direction of our society, we will find ourselves constantly mired in cost-cutting measures instead of being able to exploit our resources for future developments.
    MikeCrow
    I agree with the first parts, and then you run the car into the ditch :)

    It's not that we don't have economic issues, we do. And I agree we do need to work on this, but IMO we have the best system on the planet, and to your point about Columbus, it's that system that will fund space, maybe.

    IMO we need to find that financial reward to chase into space. A nice smallish iron/nickle chunk of rock we can turn into spaceships and such would be good. The moon is a nice place to visit, but I think we need to build interplanetary ships first, the equivalent of a tug boat.
    Plus a beanstalk, fortunately we're now close to having the material strong enough to build one, and a rock to anchor it to would be great.

    Never is a long time.
    Gerhard Adam
    The problem is that there is no logical connection between the steps we need to take.  When the "Age of Exploration" began, it wasn't like we had to invent sailing ships and figure out how to sail.  So, it became considerably easier to engage in an activity we were already somewhat skilled at and could exploit.  We have no such corollary with space travel.

    In addition, beyond the scientific aspects of it, we don't have a clear vision of what "success" means.
    ...but IMO we have the best system on the planet ...
    Doesn't matter, because none of the systems have ever had to address problems similar to this.  Everything up to the past few decades has been premised on the assumption that improvements would result in increased economic gains.  Whether it be the highway system, or building bridges in large cities.  Each opened up opportunities that were constrained without them.  However, there is no profit in having to pay the costs of actually maintaining this infrastructure.  It is simply expense with no option for gain, so it tends to be postponed.  This is one reason why we see a stalled economy, because more of our resources are being devoted to trying to maintain our society, rather than to advance it.  By confounding the problem with reduced costs and competition with third-world nations, it becomes even more difficult to rationalize spending that doesn't produce immediate returns.

    Whether you believe we have the best system on the planet or not, the reality is that we have an unprecedented debt with absolutely no idea of how to remedy that situation.  More importantly, we have no idea of how to actually create the impetus for an economy to grow and advance.  We've always operated on the assumption that it would just take care of itself, and now we're discovering that this isn't going to happen.  While there may be many things wrong, and many views on what should be fixed, the simple truth is that we have no idea of how an economy works (in real life).  The fact that people could build models and play with things that were occurring despite their understanding or efforts, is no longer moving according to "plan" and consequently, the "experts" are at a total loss as to how to drive any of it forward.

    While you may disagree, I believe that this is a potentially crippling condition that will preclude our advancement into a more technical future.  In an effort to try and contain costs, we will reduce such speculative ventures even further, thinking that we can protect ourselves by being fiscally prudent, and ultimately we will find ourselves even further in debt with no end in sight, unable to take risks and compete, and no plan to recover.  The U.S. has always been extremely fortunate and wealthy regarding its natural resources, and has been too glib about assuming that it's successes were a result of good planning rather than dumb luck and circumstances.  We're now discovering that our luck is running out and without a plan to fix things, we're going to be in big trouble.

    At the end of the day, you can rationalize these things all day long, but that is the primary reason why we haven't gone back to the moon and won't be going back soon.
    MikeCrow
    Actually, again IMO, there is a course to a better economy, unfortunately it doesn't lie in the direction of more socialism.
    Never is a long time.
    Gerhard Adam
    Actually, I'm not convinced that there is any workable "ism" out there right now, so I'm not disputing your claim on that.
    Halliday
    While reusable rockets can be helpful (just as the Space Shuttle was, to an extent) in the (possibly) near term, my suggestion would be to work toward Space Elevators.

    My reasoning for choosing this over, for instance, the Launch Loop, is twofold.
    1. Once created, it does not require the continual expenditure of energy and other resources (beyond maintenance, of course), and
    2. The geosynchronous end of a Space Elevator has a multitude of uses, besides simply supporting the cable:
      •       Reparable, upgradable replacements for communication satellites
      •       A platform for reparable, upgradable telescopes (from radio to gammaray)
      •       Human space station (nearly everything the International Space Station can do, but higher up, and easier to get to)
      •       Last, but certainly not least:  Solar energy collection
    As an additional aspect of the last point (using the geosynchronous end of a Space Elevator for solar energy collection):
    1. It has been long known that for any given solar panel efficiency, using such in space significantly boosts performance.  This is not simply because one doesn't have the obscuring effect of the atmosphere, or even clouds, but also due the the longer fraction of time within view of the Sun.
    2. The principle drawback of potentially using space based platforms for solar energy collection for terrestrial use has been in getting that energy back to Earth.  It has often been proposed that the way to transmit that energy to Earth was via microwaves.  However, this is ether fraught with risk to life and environment, or one has to spread the microwaves over large areas for collection using huge antennas (also a risk to the environment, as well as precluding the use of that land for several other purposes).
    However, by attaching a solar energy collection platform to the geosynchronous end of a Space Elevator, one obtains the benefits of space based solar energy collection while having a ready conduit for the energy transfer back to Earth (along with easier maintainability).

    Anyway, just a thought.  (I think you can see the salability.)

    David
    MikeCrow
    Unless, or until we figure out anti-gravity, IMO a cable is the best possible solution to get to space.
    And if we can make super-conductors out of carbon nanotubes, as we drop mass down the cable, we can use the energy from electromagnetic braking to launch mass up the cable.
    And if we engineer some really strong fibers, we could turn the cable into a Space-Scraper (tm pending :) )
    That'd make for a really cool appt, but way out of my price range.
    Never is a long time.