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    Developing Science 2.0: The G(r)eek in All of Us
    By Patrick Adair | September 16th 2009 02:06 PM | 45 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    Patrick Adair is a self-taught computer scientist from California, now employed as the lead programmer at ION Publications. Every now and again,...

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    In keeping with Hank's recent article (and the fact that he's terminally obsessed with Greek mythology), we've developed something new for our good readers / authors here to use:


    The "Which Character from The Iliad Are You?" Quiz, now hosted by the wonderful people over at Facebook.



    We're using this as a test platform for some other apps we want to do in the future, so please use this opportunity to tell us what you think of the quiz, and more importantly, tell your friends about the app!


    (Note: we hate Facebook apps that make you spam your friends in order to use them properly just as much as you do, so we took that functionality out of ours. Tell your friends about us in a way that won't make them want to kill someone (or us!), ok?)




    (By the way, I'm Achilles, apparently, which I'm not sure is a compliment or an insult. Who are you?)

    Comments

    Hank
    I am Ajax and there's no way for that to be an insult.   



    And how am I obsessed with mythology, Greek or otherwise?   I wrote one article and then talked you into doing 60% of the work for an app.   That's not obsession, it's trying to show you where all those D&D stories you like actually originated from.
    Gerhard Adam
    As one of the immortals (Ares), I can't help but notice that the embellishments that surround Ajax are increasing moment by moment. 

    ...and here I thought only one of the gods could be so self-absorbed :)
    Mundus vult decipi
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat

    And I am Hera who is unable to make a rich text editor posting on Science 2.0! Please fill in the field it is empty. 
    <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

    The wife (and sister) to Zeus, but that's not what makes me famous. I help the Greeks because of my anger at the Trojans over the judgement of <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Paris and I'm willing to go to battle with the most powerful god to assist them in Book 14. Plus I have a great cleavage to go with my imminent facelift.

    <?xml:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" />

    Anyone seen Zeus lately to tell him the good news?

    My article about researchers identifying a potential blue green algae cause & L-Serine treatment for Lou Gehrig's ALS, MND, Parkinsons & Alzheimers is at http://www.science20.com/forums/medicine
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    Hmmm interesting. I made an entry using the Rich text Editor tools and then switched to the plain text editor to post it and my last post was the result. So at least I can insert pictures (along with erraneous bits of meaningless code) into the plain editor now.

    I just tried to quote my comment but it won't let me, can you quote my last post?

    Have you any suggestions? I've deleted everything from my browsing history, added science 2.0 as a secure site, temporarily lowered my security settings, switched off pop-up blocker, what else can I do to get the Rich text edtor working for me?

    Hank, what have other people you mentioned who had problems done when they had these kind of problems?  It always say 'done but with errors on page' before I get the 'please fill in the field it is empty' message.

    Please help me. Bad Luck Bonobo
    My article about researchers identifying a potential blue green algae cause & L-Serine treatment for Lou Gehrig's ALS, MND, Parkinsons & Alzheimers is at http://www.science20.com/forums/medicine
    Amateur Astronomer
    Helen, If you have a good fire wall, as bloggers should, then there may be a secondary blocker built into it. The secondary can be turned off also, but some versions automatically turn back on without your permission. Other versions are not off when they say they are. The remedy is to turn on your primary pop up blocker, but put the URL into the exclusion list. http://www.science20.com If you have spam blocking enabled, you may need to add the URL to that exclusion also. After that it might take one or two tries before the firewall blocker replicates with the primary blocker. Error message “Done but with errors” may occur, but it should only be for a moment, followed by additional down loading which should end in a successful operation “Done.” I believe cookies have to be enabled, but then your virus protection should watch for web tracking cookies and destroy them, or prompt you to destroy them. Lowered security should not be necessary, and you should not have to put Science 2.0 into the trusted category. Notice that the web site is changing occasionally and has a new URL now. Also there can be an occasional page error like “Out of memory at line” or “Unresolved conflict at line.” Sometimes the error disappears by opening a new page or a new tab. Other times it may be helpful if the browser is closed and reopened without logging off from the web site or from the connection service. Some very large pages can stall if the down loading is not complete before scrolling is started. Over time the problems appear to be diminishing. So if you continue working on, your problem might disappear with no clear explanation of why. Keeping the editor open too long can end in an error if someone else is responding to the same article at the same time. Also editing your own comment may be blocked if some one has already commented on it. Your results may vary depending on your hardware and software, also from features of your connection service and occasions when someone is hacking at you.
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    Thanks Jerry, The rich text editor was working briefly for me and now its gone again! I will follow your advice which I really appreciate, and keep investigating this problem and trying new approaches to it.
    My article about researchers identifying a potential blue green algae cause & L-Serine treatment for Lou Gehrig's ALS, MND, Parkinsons & Alzheimers is at http://www.science20.com/forums/medicine
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    For what its worth, I just encountered a fatal error on Science20.com :-


    Fatal error: Cannot use [] for reading in /home/sciblogs/public_html/sites/all/modules/cool_links/cool_links.module on line 83<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

     
    when I clicked on recent comment 


    "By arguing about axioms doesn't that make them no longer axioms?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axioms..."

     

    My article about researchers identifying a potential blue green algae cause & L-Serine treatment for Lou Gehrig's ALS, MND, Parkinsons & Alzheimers is at http://www.science20.com/forums/medicine
    Amateur Astronomer
    Helen, I believe the “Fatal Error” might be a conflict between an automatic update routine on your computer and the web page. Two programs seem to be worse than others. Adobe reader might have to be put into the manual update mode. It may have to be done after each update. Also Microsoft Office may have to be put into the manual update mode. Both of these have to be updated often for security, but they can be configured to notify and ask permission. In automatic mode they update continually, make mistakes, frequently fail to finish, start over, ignore your instructions, and generally trample on everything else in your computer. In manual mode your firewall warns you that you are at risk. The remedy is to update as often as the notice appears, but do it directly from Adobe, Office, or your browser. That takes less time, makes fewer errors, gives you control, and causes your computer to run faster most of the time.
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    I've just been into Adobe reader to try to put it into manual update mode but couldn't see where to do it. Can you give me a bit more of a pointer? Thanks for your help Jerry.
    My article about researchers identifying a potential blue green algae cause & L-Serine treatment for Lou Gehrig's ALS, MND, Parkinsons & Alzheimers is at http://www.science20.com/forums/medicine
    Amateur Astronomer
    Adobe Reader - Edit > Preferences > Do not down load and install updates automatically. Manual update Help > Check for updates
    Hank
    Adobe is a huge headache because everyone assumes it must be us rather than a giant bloated pig of a company that is at fault.  Don't even start me on Microsoft ... 

    Thanks for helping do tech support, Jerry!   :)
    Aitch
    Foxit reader is far better, uses less resources, and can integrate with Firefox browser, for all pdf's
    If you want to get away from Microshaft, try PuppyLinux.....You'd be amazed how easy it is to drop M$ nowadays

    Hey, you could even promote Open Source software....wink

    Aitch
    Hank
    We don't use anything Microsoft but other people do so we have to factor it in.  This whole site is a LAMP stack but stock browsers and users will use Adobe and people will use IE and it's certainly a headache (people always blame websites) but that's the way it is.
    Amateur Astronomer
    You’re welcome Hank. Science 2.0 gives a good service and is tolerant of people’s opinions.
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    Unfortunately, I still can't do any posts using the Rich Text Editor. I have tried from many different computers with many different configurations commonly used here in Australia. I am an experienced IT professional and I still can't get it to work. What I would like is for Hank and Patrick to be brave enough to create a blog where we can all share our problems with postings and similarly share the remedies that have worked for different people at different times. Even though it might well be nothing to do with the Rich Text Editor and everything to do with some 'big fat pig' of a software package that we are using, I still think it would be good to share our knowledge and to see a list of possible ways to fix the problem. One thing is for sure, I can't create the blog here even if I wanted to.
    My article about researchers identifying a potential blue green algae cause & L-Serine treatment for Lou Gehrig's ALS, MND, Parkinsons & Alzheimers is at http://www.science20.com/forums/medicine
    Gerhard Adam
    Helen

    Have you encountered this problem with other browsers?  The "fill in empty field" message only occurs on Internet Explorer for me.  It seems that Firefox has been the most stable and reliable regarding posts with the Rich Text Editor.  I'm not much of an Opera user, but I understand Hank uses it.

    If you have more specific information regarding your configuration, perhaps we might find a solution.
    Mundus vult decipi
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    Is anyone else out there managing to use the Rich Text Editor with Internet Explorer on Science 20.com? I am using Internet Explorer and Firefox isn't an option for me, as I share all of the computers I use both here, at work, at my Dad's house and at uni with other people who would get upset if I installed Firefox onto the shared computer. Thanks for your help, what would you like to know about my configuration Gerhard?
    My article about researchers identifying a potential blue green algae cause & L-Serine treatment for Lou Gehrig's ALS, MND, Parkinsons & Alzheimers is at http://www.science20.com/forums/medicine
    Hank
    We test on IE, Chrome (so, Safari), Opera and FF but I am not surprised if he she has issues with IE (or any browser) given the number of configurations and options available on them.    One thing mobile phones get right is basically taking any real control away from the OS and user except for a few simple options like javascript.  

    On the desktop I am sitting at this moment, for example, this Opera version will not let me use the URL link in the toolbar.   Yet the same version of Opera on one of my laptops is fine while on another it has the same issue, even with the same OS and no recognizable difference I can find.

    If it's any consolation, even a company that spent $500 million like Facebook has an error once a day for me, regardless of what machine I use.   You can converge on a bug-free code but, like cancer,  as long as there are mutations there will be people who can't use the site the way most can.
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    OK so who do you know on Science20.com who is regularly using Internet Explorer to create blogs using the Rich Text Editor? Did they have problems in the past and how did they fix them or has it always worked perfectly for them? Oh, and what did you mean by he she or was it just a typo?
    My article about researchers identifying a potential blue green algae cause & L-Serine treatment for Lou Gehrig's ALS, MND, Parkinsons & Alzheimers is at http://www.science20.com/forums/medicine
    Gerhard Adam
    Hank

    I think the problem's a bit more pervasive.  I still get it on Internet Explorer 8 (Windows 7).  From what I can see when you use IE and reply to a comment when you press POST COMMENT, it takes you back to the Reply to Comment page with the error message.

    <div><div class="messages error">
    Please fill in the  field. It is empty.</div>
    </div>              <h1 class="title">Reply to comment</h1>

    It seems that no matter how often you enter it, you never leave the Reply to Comment page.  If I do the same thing on FireFox it works properly.  So this doesn't seem like it's a security setting.  I've seen flaky behaviors, but this seems far to consistent to fall into that category.
    Mundus vult decipi
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    Thankyou very much for that comment Gerhard, it sounds so much better coming from you than it does coming from a he she bonobo. :)
    My article about researchers identifying a potential blue green algae cause & L-Serine treatment for Lou Gehrig's ALS, MND, Parkinsons & Alzheimers is at http://www.science20.com/forums/medicine
    Gerhard Adam
    Thankyou very much for that comment Gerhard, it sounds so much better coming from you than it does coming from a he she bonobo. :)
    Well, I think that I might have a quasi-solution for you.  If you enter your post and then do whatever formatting you like, you can switch to the plain text editor just before you click Post Comment.  That way your formatting is still retained, but you bypass the problem.

    That's what I did to post this reponse from Internet Explorer.
    Mundus vult decipi
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    OK, I think I tried that before but here goes.

    This is a line in bold text.

    This is underlined

    Here is my Goddess alter ego....




    • I've tried this before
    • but you never know
    • Friday 13th could be my lucky day
    My article about researchers identifying a potential blue green algae cause & L-Serine treatment for Lou Gehrig's ALS, MND, Parkinsons & Alzheimers is at http://www.science20.com/forums/medicine
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    My Goddess it worked! Thankyou very much Gerhard for your help.
    My article about researchers identifying a potential blue green algae cause & L-Serine treatment for Lou Gehrig's ALS, MND, Parkinsons & Alzheimers is at http://www.science20.com/forums/medicine
    Hank
    Evil Lyn (Meg Foster) certainly gets attention among a geek audience.   Your stuff is still bolded because you left your sentence bolded and clicked Enter so the next ones were also.   Can I do underlining either?   If that sentence was not underlined after I publish the comment we'll know.  Italics worked.
     
    What I do for bolding is write the word and then bold it, or make a space after the bolded word, then unbold, then click enter.  It can be clunky.
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    "The role I'd like to play is the role I'm doing next. I take it day by day." Meg Foster So, can I create a blog here Hank or don't I have the right credentials? I do have BSc Hons in Psychology and will soon have a Bachelor Of Social Scinces degree, is that enough to create a blog here or do I have to be a published writer? What are the rules for blog writing at Science 2.0?
    My article about researchers identifying a potential blue green algae cause & L-Serine treatment for Lou Gehrig's ALS, MND, Parkinsons & Alzheimers is at http://www.science20.com/forums/medicine
    Hank
    It's based on popularity but I can enable it manually.
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    This is underlined
    My article about researchers identifying a potential blue green algae cause & L-Serine treatment for Lou Gehrig's ALS, MND, Parkinsons & Alzheimers is at http://www.science20.com/forums/medicine
    Gerhard Adam
    Yes, for some reason underlining seems to never work for me either, no matter which editor I use.  So that appears to be unrelated.
    Mundus vult decipi
    Hank
    Me either.   We have both U and UL in the filter so that one is a puzzle
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    OK so I can't underline things but I can write in bold and italics, insert pictures and links? http://www.scientificblogging.com
    My article about researchers identifying a potential blue green algae cause & L-Serine treatment for Lou Gehrig's ALS, MND, Parkinsons & Alzheimers is at http://www.science20.com/forums/medicine
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    I am still unable to create an article/blog from my dashboard. Is that because you only want approved bloggers creating blogs Hank or is it still part of my Rich Text Editor problem?
    My article about researchers identifying a potential blue green algae cause & L-Serine treatment for Lou Gehrig's ALS, MND, Parkinsons & Alzheimers is at http://www.science20.com/forums/medicine
    Amateur Astronomer
    The Rich Text Editor supports a slightly larger set of HTML codes than the published pages do. A few things like Fonts and Underline appear as intended in the Rich Text Editor but are not displayed in the published pages. Spacing between lines is different on the two pages, and changes from time to time. Most of the items appear the same on both pages. All of the edit features appear to work OK on my system. My Firewalls like to add security codes to everything that comes in or goes out, which could be a problem for someone who in not IT experienced. All of the software gets updated occasionally which means the success rate changes also. To make it more fun the communication links by different routes all go through filters and fire walls that are configured differently. My success rate is best when I write my comments in MS Word 2007 which is set by default to Unicode UTF-8, and by preference to Verdana 10 font. With a source code of Unicode UTF-8 and Verdana 10 font the formatting is not lost when pasting into Plain Text editor. Before discovering this combination, I got some of the fill in the blank errors and other things people are describing. Copy and paste works best with the web site editor in Plain Text mode. Then it is possible to switch to Rich Text Mode for final editing links, and attachments. I do my posting from Rich Text editor, but if it didn’t work, I would try posting from plain text mode as Gerhard suggested. Copy and paste from a word processor into Rich Text mode creates formatting and other problems because the source and destination have differences in the HTML code sets. Occasionally there is a problem of unknown origin with the published version. In those cases I edit the item in plain text mode, especially the HTML codes, which give a lot of control over the published comment. If some of the readers are trying to read HTML code on a XML oriented platform, then the errors might be similar to the ones that were described on this page.
    gospel_virus
    Ok, if this comment posted, then things might be returning to normal.
    Hi everyone; it's Patrick again and I've been doing some digging. Turns out that the YUI editor has some major problems with WebKit-based browsers and some of the fixes I tried to apply earlier ended up messing things up for other browsers as well. Sorry about that.


    The problem is thus: the YUI editor doesn't automatically save the content you write into the textarea that actually gets submitted. For now, I've found a way to force it to do so when the form is submitted, so things should work once more. At the time of this writing, I've only tested in Firefox and Safari / Chrome, but they appear to work well and I wanted to let people know about my findings.

    I can be contacted here or at patrick.adair@gmail.com if things still aren't working for you or if you have other problems you'd like to report. Maybe I should setup a Bugzilla for people to post problems with the site on... :P
    "So, I says to him, 'what do you mean my wife is sleeping with a protoplasm!?'"
    Amateur Astronomer
    Let’s see how the improvements look.

    This should be bold and double spaced
    This should be underlined and single spaced


    This should be italics and triple spaced


    This is pasted into Rich Text Editor and posted from there.  The present configuration loses the message when changing from Plain Text to Rich Text.


    All is Unicode UTF-8 Verdana 10, except this >>> is Calibri 16, or at least it was.

    It all looked prefect in the Rich Text Editor.





     
    gospel_virus
    Fonts and other more advanced formatting are disallowed in the Rich Text Editor - we don't want people using wacko fonts and screwing up how the site looks, so we disabled that functionality, and those HTML tags are stripped out when the text is submitted.
    "So, I says to him, 'what do you mean my wife is sleeping with a protoplasm!?'"
    Hank
    MySpace showed the world what giving people total control over HTML - and it isn't good.
    logicman


    I would never dream of




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    You can trust me, you know you can.
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    Just to let you know Patrick, everything to do with adding comments on science20.com is working fine for me now, presumably whatever you did has worked well, at least it has for me, I'm not sure about everyone else? :)

     
    My article about researchers identifying a potential blue green algae cause & L-Serine treatment for Lou Gehrig's ALS, MND, Parkinsons & Alzheimers is at http://www.science20.com/forums/medicine
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    Patrick, my editor problem has come back in a new format. I don't get 'the field is empty' error but I also don't get any functionality within the Rich text editor. for example I couldn't insert hyperlinks or images in my Black Prince William article which was rather frustrating. It would have been much easier for readers to have been able to see the picture of Prince William's coat of arms when I was going on about the symbols. Switching to plain editor and back doesn't help as it won't let me switch to plain editor anymore, this is a new problem for me. Help.
    My article about researchers identifying a potential blue green algae cause & L-Serine treatment for Lou Gehrig's ALS, MND, Parkinsons & Alzheimers is at http://www.science20.com/forums/medicine
    Aitch
    Helen, I don't know if you have NoScript on your browser? I have to allow yahooapis.com, to get full access to the add comment/edit functions using firefox HTH Aitch
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    Hi Patrick and Hank, my latest article at http://www.science20.com/make_love_not_war/blog/cheaper_us_banned_neurot... is not displaying properly. Is it because the title was too big and has pushed out the "More Articles" and "About Helen" frames or is it yet another problem caused by me using IE8? And I stil have no functionality when using the Rich Text Editor so can't insert quotes, images or URLs, I can't even switch to plain editor, it's all very boring. I'm very bored with it. I'm going to install firefox soon, I just haven't got time at the moment as I'm up to my eyeballs in uni assignments. Personally I think there is a problem with my Bonny Bonobo alias Brat account here, i reckon it has faulty pointers or something. Why can't I track anything, why do I no longer received any emails notifying me about anything, including my own blogs? Today I deleted all of my tracking options to try and start again. Maybe we could just delete this account and I could have a new one called Helen Barratt now that I've lost my anonymity? Maybe better to wait until I've tried installing firefox I suppose?
    My article about researchers identifying a potential blue green algae cause & L-Serine treatment for Lou Gehrig's ALS, MND, Parkinsons & Alzheimers is at http://www.science20.com/forums/medicine
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    OK, I've downloaded Mozilla Firefox and everything appears to work beautifully.

    • bullets


    bold italics


    I'm going to install firefox soon, I just haven't got time at the moment as I'm up to my eyeballs in uni assignments.
    except I can't scroll up and down inside the text box. Is that normal?


    Helen turns out to be Thetis from the Iliad!
    You are Thetis - Mother to Achilles, you gave him his divine
    impenetrability but warned him and convinced Zeus to intervene on his
    behalf in Book 1. In Book 18, you convince God of Fire Hephaistos to
    craft a spectacular suit of armor for Achilles.

    That's true, its called a car.

    Funnily enough, now I can scroll up and down after inserting that image....

    Oh well, this is all a big improvement, I should have done it  a long time ago, I'm just too stubborn for my own good.
    My article about researchers identifying a potential blue green algae cause & L-Serine treatment for Lou Gehrig's ALS, MND, Parkinsons & Alzheimers is at http://www.science20.com/forums/medicine
    Hank
    Well, IE issues don't go away because one person switches to Firefox - with the new version, more people will use IE, not less, so it has to be fixed.  It was just difficult to fix a current version that has multiple landmines (fix one thing, two more arise) without selling this to a magazine who has staff to do all of the programming.   It isn't like Wordpress or any other tools work great with IE, since 2006 it went from joke to hazard and has basically kept a lot of programmers employed fixing bugs in their code, but it hasn't been good for users.

    Anyway, switching isn't an ideal solution but it will certainly be both more secure and faster for you.
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    Very true.
    My article about researchers identifying a potential blue green algae cause & L-Serine treatment for Lou Gehrig's ALS, MND, Parkinsons & Alzheimers is at http://www.science20.com/forums/medicine