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    Ancient Astronauts?
    By Gerhard Adam | February 3rd 2011 12:07 PM | 17 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    Despite the various claims surrounding the idea of alien visitation in the past, one of the primary arguments has been the creation of immense structures in the past that have been argued as being impossible to create without sophisticated modern technologies.  More to the point, the argument even suggests that it would take quite advanced technologies (even beyond our abilities today), to produce such construction projects.

    Invariably the size of the blocks is mentioned (on the order of several tons to several hundred tons), as well as the issue of moving them, positioning them, and of course the precision involved in their placement.

    For those of you who aren't familiar with him, Wally Wallington is a retired construction worker in Michigan who has demonstrated that simple tools, ingenuity, and a basic knowledge of the physics involved renders these issues moot.  In other words, this guy can move massive rocks, by himself.  


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K7q20VzwVs

    There have been arguments that question whether these techniques would've worked on the pyramids or in other places, but those questions are irrelevant.  Wally Wallington isn't suggesting that he is using the explicit techniques of our ancestors, but instead he is demonstrating that there is a means available that doesn't require advanced technology and thousands of workers.  The ultimate point here isn't to examine whether Wally's methods are historically accurate, but simply that they can be done at all.

    This completely destroys any assertion that ancient astronauts or mysterious powers are necessary to have built these structures.  It is clear that they are well within the capabilities of the most primitive tools.

    Similarly there have been critics of the Coral Castle (a modern day "mysterious" building) tripod photos, where perhaps it would be more useful to demonstrate why they couldn't have worked, instead of criticizing images that clearly show them working.

    It seems obvious that there are far too many arm-chair engineers that want to propose theories and ideas of what our ancestors could or couldn't do, rather than getting their hands dirty and following Wally's lead and actually figuring it out.  As with many aspects of "experimental archaeology", the purpose is not to conclusively show that a particular event occurred in a particular manner according to the experimenter (i.e. Thor Heyerdahl's voyages), but rather that they are possible with the technology of the time.  This is sufficient to demonstrate that no extraordinary means or knowledge are required to lend credence to a particular method.  Once it has been demonstrated that it is possible, then evidence may (or may not) be found that can focus on specific techniques that may have been employed.  This becomes especially important when archaeological items or structures being investigated may have no historical records.  In those cases, it is likely impossible to determine precisely what specific techniques may have been used, so the first order would be to assess plausibility.

    So the next time someone talks about "Forgotten Technologies" and how no one knows how our ancestors could've built these structures, ask youself, how much effort has been expended in following up on these modern day explanations and examples.  That will be the best indicator of how seriously these questions should be considered.  

    Whether aliens ever visited this planet in the past may be a question open to speculation, but most assuredly we can be confident that, if we were visted, they didn't come here with the intent to build pyramids.

    "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."  -- Bertrand Russell

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    *  There is a similar structure in Florida, called Coral Castle.  While it is often associated with mysterious processes and questions regarding how it was built (I suspect that is more PR and marketing), the reality is that the owner/builder (Edward Leedskalnin) also utilized his knowledge of leverage and gravity to perform the construction.  Despite claims to the contrary, here is a picture of the builder working at lifting one of the stones.
    http://web.archive.org/web/20080119034518/http://www.geocities.com/anti_gravity/Coral_Castle/photos_3.html
     
     

    Comments

    vongehr
    Come on Gerhard, don't mislead us - who pays you? There is the UFO helping Edward plainly visible just two steps up the ladder from his head a little to the left!
    Gerhard Adam
    ...and what makes you think that UFO is helping?  Lazy bastards :)
    I lost my faith in extraterrestrials when, in elementary school, I learned that the Great Pyramids were made after Égyptians built mastabas... I discovered that time that the reality is simplier and more boring than what books and movies used to tell.

    But, good for that man, he found something to get busy. If, somebody needs something to do when he will reach retirement, I suggest to rebuild the Appian way...

    Aitch
    I think moving large lumps of stone pales into insignificance, when compared to the alignment of such megaliths to planets, stars, and  star systems, especially by peoples who had no written language, but used knotted strings as communication

    All else is just grunt, or so we were led to believe....

    Aitch
    Gerhard Adam
    The simple reality is that these people were much more sophisticated and knowledgeable than they are typically given credit for.  What does "alignment" even mean with respect to stars and planets other than creating an approximation of positions on the earth.  They're certainly not "aligned" in any meaningful way.  As for no written language ... did you think the pyramids are decorated in doodles?
    Aitch
    ....did you think the pyramids are decorated in doodles?
    Funny how you recognise ancient peoples as being sophisticated and knowledgeable, yet project inane comments like this onto 'modern man'....and yet you seem unable to figure out what 'aligned' means in relation to megaliths and planets/stars/star systems??
    I don't believe the Incas decorated their pyramids, in any event....but their language/communication was believed to be formed on strings - in case you've never heard of it

    http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~elf/abacus/inca-khipu.html

    Some people are just too clever sometimes

    Aitch
    Gerhard Adam
    .and yet you seem unable to figure out what 'aligned' means in relation to megaliths and planets/stars/star systems??
    Oh, I certainly understand what "aligned" means in the sense of how these structures were built.  However, I don't understand why you think that relative placement is such a significant feat.  It's probably the simplest aspect of the entire exercise.
    Aitch
    Not so much how they were built, but positionally/relatively
    Certainly from the modern day awareness of the nature of our Universe it seems easy [not so sure about 'the simplest aspect', even though...]....but for 'Flat-Earth era' awareness.... to even figure out the Earth's, Sun's, Moon's, and other planetary rotations and stellar movements with pinpoint accuracy without calculators/computers....?
    That's a real feat, in my book!

    Aitch
    Gerhard Adam
    ...to even figure out the Earth's, Sun's, Moon's, and other planetary rotations and stellar movements with pinpoint accuracy without calculators/computers
    What pinpoint accuracy are you referring to?  As for positioning, it's not like they're in any position beyond relative to each other on the ground.  It could be done by a 5th grader.  I also don't know where you got this "Flat Earth era" notion, since few, except the most ignorant ever believed the earth was flat. 

    You seem to think that people weren't very observant or didn't recognize the patterns that routinely occur with respect to the seasons. 
    But, dont over rate the degree of sophistion of the Egyptians. Yes they domesticated the Nil with a big degree of social cohesion, but they were submited to numerous times of starving and they suffered from many calamities. I don't remember who, but I remember that there was a pharao who was bring to death by a simple tooth infection.

    Gerhard Adam
    None of these ancient cultures was beyond having problems and suffering disasters, any more than our society was exempt from suffering through the effects of a Hurricane Katrina.  Obviously the impact on the U.S. was significantly less because of how large and distributed the population is, as well as the size of our economic capabilities, so people were able to come from outside the immediate area to assist.  Had New Orleans been a kingdom unto itself, it would have probably gone extinct.

    As for "a simple tooth infection", there are still people today, in modern society, despite the existence of modern medicine, that can die from a tooth infection, so that's not much of a criticism.

    Outlook (Prognosis)

    Untreated abscesses may get worse and can lead to life-threatening complications.

    Prompt treatment usually cures the infection. The tooth can usually be saved in many cases.

    Possible Complications


    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001060.htm

    The point is that no amount of sophistication or cleverness can prevent these types of calamities, but it still isn't any basis for arguing that aliens were necessary for those things they did achieve.
    Mr Adam,

    You are right. No society can avoid tragedies, but if the poor boy had lived in Canada, he would live... We have free dental care for children and the medical care is free for everyone.

    I call it progress... Not extraterrestrial...

    SynapticNulship
    As L. Sprague de Camp said (in one of his non-fiction books, The Ancient Engineers, 1963):

    The true secrets of the ancients' engineering triumphs were three:
    first, the intensive and careful use of such simple instruments and devices as they had;
    second, unlimited manpower and the ability to organize and command it;
    and lastly, no need for haste.
    blue-green
    It is worth stressing that neither a King’s conquest nor slaves are not needed to create a mind-boggling projection into the sky. Last fall, I visited the Bishop Castle a short ways west of Colorado Springs and Pueblo. It was inspiring to see what ONE man can do with 25 years of patience and stubbornness. No fancy cranes or lifts. No safety equipment. No building permits. No engineering calculations. No mortar work done during the long winters. Look carefully at the wrought iron work that he has added so that one can climb up and all around the structure. For the long run, it looks like the project is going to become a permanent place for people to store the ashes of loved ones …. in memoriam … and for happy celebrations …. weddings and the exchange of vows. Photos by yours truly …









    Gerhard Adam. You are a bit of a douche. You are on a science website writing some unneccesary elongated article trying to disprove aliens built the pyramids (since although you never mention a race you seem to be explicitly referring to them and only them the whole time). You are not an avante-garde thinker trailblazing with your crazy anti-alien ideas: NO ONE THINKS ALIENS BUILT THE PYRAMIDS. At least far far less then thought the earth was flat (which was the majority of the fucking western world btw!!!). And then, after defending how advanced the races were, as soon as someone else marvels at their advancement for the relationship of their buildings with the heavens, you start rubbishing them for being those same races, saying a 5th grader could of done it. A 5th grader could not have designed the blueprints of the ancient megastructures, but they could have told me that aliens didn't, and saved you a whole bunch of time writing your silly blog. Come down from your pulpit and go do something useful for science. Like apply for a grant and do some research.

    What is most telling about the ancient astronaught supporters is that they tend to focuss entirely on non-white cultures - and is a racist way to say that the works achieved in these cultures couldn't possibility have occured without them having help.

    what's curious to me is that why is that WITH all our modern equipment and tech that we aren't building anything comparable to what the ancients did with a lot of labour, simple tools of wheels, pulleys and levers and a few people with whips?

    Gerhard Adam
    You are alleging that certain events occurred, without anything to support such claims.  What "machining tool marks" at Giza are you talking about.  At least a picture with some analysis would do.  What stones at Puma Punku have evidence of advanced machining? 

    What evidence do you have for advanced alloys or tools?

    You're the one that isn't using his head properly, if you think that such statements will simply go unchallenged.