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    Buckle Up For Catastrophe
    By Howard Bloom | December 8th 2009 09:48 PM | 50 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments

    The next weeks will be intense for climate change activists.  In Copenhagen from December 8 to December 18 sixty five world leaders are meeting for the United Nations Climate Change Conference. The Obama administration showed its commitment to the issue of climate change in its joint statement November 24th with India’s Prime Minister Manmohan Singh committing both heads of state to “contribute to global efforts to combat climate change.”  

    Then the EPA opened the way for executive orders on climate issues from the White House when it announced December 7th that greenhouse gases are a danger to public health and the environment.  Climate change opponents like Scripps Howard News Service editorial writer Jay Ambrose screamed “tyranny.”


    President Obama underscored his concern about global warming the same day when he met at the White House with climate champion Al Gore. And President Obama will make a personal appearance at the Copenhagen climate talks on December 18th.  Meanwhile, anti-climate change forces have put private emails from the University of East Anglia's climate  research unit online to discredit the scientific leaders of the climate change research community.  That’s triggered a flood of accusations from the right, which has dubbed the release of these emails “Climategate.”
     

    What’s the public reaction to this free for all? A Washington Post-ABC News poll released November 24th indicated that the public was losing its faith in the inconvenient truth promoted by climate change proponents.  And a Harris Interactive Poll on December 8th backed that up when it revealed that belief in climate change was dropping fast, sliding from the 71% of Americans who believed in climate change in 2007 to 51% today. 

    There’s good reason for the fuss.  A multi-trillion dollar bet and the very future of humanity may hinge on the accuracy of the climate change activist’s primary policy claim—that decreasing greenhouse gas concentration in the atmosphere can stabilize the earth’s climate. 



    But that bet has almost no chance of panning out.  Not for the usual reasons.  Not because the climate change activists are wrong about the instability of the climate.  

    But because climate instability is far greater than they imagine.


    Climate change will happen with or without carbon sequestration and green technology—much as green technology and green energy are necessities.  How do we know?  There have been 60 ice ages in the two million years during which we’ve climbed from Homo erectus to our current peak as Homo industrialus. And there have been 20 sudden global warmings in the 120,000 years since we emerged from our pre-human state to our current physical form as fully modern humans, Homo sapiens.


    The 12,000 year stretch from the end of the Ice Age to today has been an abnormally long period of climate stability. We are long overdue for a major climate flip.  And frankly, we do not know whether that flip will be a rapid warming or a dip into an icy deep freeze like the ones that plagued us during the Pleistocene era. There’s only one thing we can be sure of, one thing we must prepare for—massive change.


    There were no tailpipes and smokestacks from two million years ago until the invention of agriculture.  Yet the climate fried and froze more than 60 times.  Why? 

    Man and biomass are not the only determinants of climate.  The earth is on a journey that takes it through dangers stranger than those that encountered by Frodo the Hobbit on his way to the Lonely Mountain  The earth goes through strange tilts and wobbles as it circles the sun.  Those twists, those precessions, give us the massive weather changes of the Milankovich cycle, a cycle we go through every 22,000, 41,000 and 100,000 years. 


    But the wobbles of the earth are nothing compared to the journey we take as inhabitants of a solar system on the move.  Our sun and its tiny clutch of planets circles the black hole at the center of our galaxy once every 226,000 years.  That trip takes us through spiral arms of the galaxy, arms whose cosmic rays wreak havoc on our weather every 143 million years.  Our journey around the galactic core also takes us through “galactic fluff,” clouds of cosmic dust.  In a normal year our outer atmosphere collects 30 million kilograms of cosmic dust. 


    But when we whiffle our way through the “fluff,” that amount triples, once again causing massive climate change.

    Then there’s the sun itself, which not only undergoes shifts in eleven year patterns but which is now 43% warmer than it was when the planet earth first formed 4.5 billion years ago.  

    That’s a heavy-duty climate warmer.

    What’s more to the point, our passage through the worst the galaxy can throw at us causes shifts in weather patterns that wreak havoc on life.  Those weather shifts—plus the occasional meteor--have produced mass extinctions every 26.5 million years.  That’s roughly 142 mass extinctions since life began its adventure nearly four billion years ago.  All without tailpipes, smokestacks, and capitalism.


    When geologists like James Hutton and Charles Lyall  first began to read the past of our planet in fossils and in the strata of rock 200 years ago, they noticed something ominous.  There were fossilized seashells on mountaintops.  Mountaintops had once been at the bottom of seas.  What’s more, solid land had once been swamp.  And coastal real estate had been the most unstable of all, ending up underwater or high and dry.  We humans are coast-hugging creatures.  As Plato put it, we are like  frogs dotted around a pond.  Over 60% of us live near coasts.  And coasts are fragile places to be. 


    The bottom line? Weather change will come.  Massive weather change.  It will come with or without the mitigation of greenhouse gases.  And—like the indigenous people of Indonesia’s Aceh who build their houses on stilts--we have to be prepared to triumph over disaster.  We cannot waste trillions on just one form of climate change.  We have to be prepared for both fire and ice.  Or, to put it differently, we have to realize that Mother Nature is not nice.


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    Howard Bloom is the author of The Genius of the Beast: A Radical Re-Vision of Capitalism (“exhilaratingly-written and masterfully-researched.  I couldn't put it down.”--James Burke), The Lucifer Principle: A Scientific Expedition Into the Forces of History ("mesmerizing"—The Washington 
    Post
    ), and Global Brain: The Evolution of Mass Mind from the Big Bang to the 21st Century  ("reassuring and sobering"—The New Yorker).  He is also founder and head of The Space Development Steering Committee, a group that includes astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Edgar Mitchell and members from NASA and the National Science Foundation.

    Comments

    It's hard to believe this more than anything else with the complete lack of reference or citation. Would you mind telling us where you get your info?

    Also, how can you assign a malevolent consciousness to nature by rejecting the opposite? Nature is not good or evil; it just is, and will continue to be, in cycles.

    It's a step in the right direction to recognize how powerless we are as human beings. It should only encourage us to try and understand nature rather than find ways to beat it. We have to stop making up excuses to keep pilling up landfill... after landfill... after landfill... after landfill with stuff we never needed- mostly stuff we use to convince ourselves that we're above nature and other animals.

    As an answer to the flux of retorts to my last comment, I quote: "why should the few peculiarities of human consciousness be the standard by which to judge all other creatures?" -Gary Snyder

    Knowing Howard, you be receiving those citations pretty soon. LOL

    LOL!!!!!!!!!! You obviously have read very little of Howard Bloom....I can say this because your response has in it assumptions that are light years off. If you would have read Howard Bloom at greater length then this small piece you'd realize that he backs up his info with ridiculious amounts of reference and citation bordering of OCD. You would also see that his reference to consciousness is metaphoric and understand that humans and man made invention is nature incarnate. That good and evil is a manifestation of nature from humans to bacterium. Bloom understands nature on a much deeper level then a mere metaphisical respect of such. He explains why we and nature are one and the same and nature/man's wise mangement of landfills means more then conservation.....it means total conversion of landfill to greater uses altogether. You really need to read more Bloom...because your comments reveal what you might be hungry to know ....you wont be sorry you did...in fact, you might even have a epitheny!

    I have actually read a lot of Howard Bloom, and understand his ideas in depth. It would be rather naive, however, to assume that because his books (and many of his articles) are well referenced, that this particular article is also supported- believing so would be a fallacy of logic. Also, if you would look up the references, as I have, you find that many of them are outdated or disproved evidence. This is normal considering the vast amount of data Bloom carries in his brain. I also understand that his reference to nature is metaphoric; the point is still valid because attitudes come with language, and when "nature is a bloody bitch" is coupled with "technological inventions are in our best interests", you end up with our current predicament. And you thus failed to address my argument since I'm saying that good and evil are not manifestations of nature at all; those ways of seeing nature come from a human point of view, and that puts us at the center of attention with respect to nature... which we are not. Science keeps illustrating this point over and over. My ultimate point is that, as Einstein states, we cannot solve a problem using the same methods that caused the problem in the first place. Regardless of whether CO2 or the chinese or terrorists are to blame for global warming, the fact is that human technological societies have proven themselves incapable of finding any sort of balanced relationship with other forms of life, and that will result in the destruction of Earth's ecosystems. So sure, we can survive landfills, and snowball earth, or a global warming with neat advanced technology, but we'll have nothing to live for, or live on (unless we really want to eat synthetic food forever).

    Then I guess it all comes down how you digest what you read and our personal biases that exist no matter who we are. When I read bloom it gives me optimism about the current condition...you see it as doom and gloom....in a nut shell... is the glass half empty of half full? This is why we can agree to disagree. I also see us as nature incarnate. which is a different way of looking at things....its not us vs them...we are all one and the same. So everything is a challenge or a problem to over come to me..not a problem that dooms. I see stagnation and conservation as a deep fear like that of a deer in the head lights. Advocating the scaling back of mankind in the face of these challenges is luddite and unimaginative. After all, the earth is a big place but the universe is almost infinate. As for synthetic food....if it was nanoengineered at the molecular scale it would be indistinguishable from todays food only more nutrious, better tasting, and less resource using..so I would rather eat designer food...I long for it...!

    You make a good point. But I'm not advocating conservationism, I'm for preservation. Conservation is about making sure our resources are intact, which is still an anthropocentric way of viewing the world. Be as self-centered as you want, but the next Copernicus will come along and shoot you down.

    You assume that technology defines advancement; why? The only thing technology has done for us is make our lives extremely complex and frustrating. We've done everything to separate ourselves from nonhuman animals and the environment in general. But we're just an extension of evolution. We are part of a community of all living creatures. I'm not being mystical; this is science, ecological fact. Everything in nature interacts with everything else in a network whose complexity no human brain, including Bloom's, can wrap their head around. We are part of that network, but we are the only creatures who take much, much more than we give. All other animals participate in balanced give&take interactions, until we come along and wipe them out. When an ecosystem is fully functioning, all the members are present at the assembly. As I said before, nature is a community that includes us and everything else. We've done everything to separate ourselves from it, and to consider the possibility of reactivating membership in the community that gave birth to our species is in NO WAY regressive.

    To top it off, do you really think humans can survive without the environment we've been developing in for over three billion years? It would be psychologically and biologically catastrophic. It would be sensory deprivation. Astronauts need psychological support, and it's for that reason, on top of isolation and the biological effects of space travel. You are sure, like many do, that the scientist knows what makes nature tick; the scientist is equally sure that he does not. He knows that the biotic mechanism is so complex that its workings may never be fully understood. So I'd rather be careful before I immediately, and uncritically, trust that scientists can technologically support us as well as the environment has for almost four billion years.

    "You assume that technology defines advancement; why? The only thing technology has done for us is make our lives extremely complex and frustrating"

    What is technology? Technique coupled with knowledge? Fire is a simple technology yet it can cause great distruction and pain. We have standing fire departments all over the world to protect us from this technology yet we would not want to live with out it like the rest of the plant and animal kingdom. After all, it cooks our food, heats our homes, and was usefull at keeping the lions from devouring us within the harmonious ecosystem. Sure life was much simpler when we had to huddle in the cave and eat our meat raw but nature saw fit to evolve our minds to unlock the mysteries of fire. It was nature that decided to put us on the top of the food chain because of that big brain.

    Now knowledge as we know,,,, follows the same universal forces as evolution it also builds upon itself and self improves within its funtional niche. Technology is simply knowledge in practice...It is neither good nor bad...just like fire is neither good nor bad...It all depends on how you use the fire that matters....the same follows for all other technologies from monkey wrenches to nuclear power....both can kill... both can do great good. And few people will argu that knowledge is bad...because then you are infering that ignorance is good! As you type your words on your computer in the comfort of your electrified home you dismiss all the good that technology has brought you. I think that we as people are spoiled we tend to see the bad but dismiss the good.

    Take for example most of human existance between 50,000 bc up to the early 1800's ad....99.99% of all humans hunted or gathered, they did back breaking work, and were lucky to find enough food to survive the winter. They were covered in lice and parasites, knowledge consisted of tribal deities and medicine was blood letting from the local witch doctor or wizard. Food was often eaten rancid or oversalted to rid bacteria. most were lucky to live to a ripe old age of 30. Even the chiefs, kings, and rulers didnt fair much better. Slavery, rape, torture, canibalism, and other unthinkable conditions were common. civilization at its worse is light years a head of this...even what the nazis did we now universaly condem!!!!Why because of the constant reminder that early video technology provides...yet most forget that this was common practice in all previous wars...(to the victor goes the spoils) The Romans were torturing people for 5000 yrs and they didnt play football in thier collasiums. Today we have 911, refridgeration, electricity, communications, travel...and much more.....do your really long for a simpler existance.....Is your computer all organic? seriously, mother nature really doesnt give a rip if we are wiped out naturally by a virus, astroid, or man made nuclear conflict? We dont have a monopoly on death but what we do have is evolved brains, knowledge and technique of using that knowledge....OR (technology)

    We need to embrace technology and guide its use for good but to shun it or hope that things will revert back to some "simpler more natural" and percieved happier time is not practical. ..and it never existed as such.

    Nature is also neither good nor evil it draws no distingtion between a man clubing a baby seal or a killer whale biting the seal in half. There is many examples of animals who kill for entertainment not just food....so to assign superior moral qualities to nature or animals make no sense what so ever.

    BTW I believe that technology yet discovered or on the cusp of discovery will solve all these problems you bring up and more....but as surely as it will do so new challenges will crop up! Thats ok because, technology is also nature incarnate and it will evolve just the same.

    for instance...Molecular Nanotechnology is probly only 20 or 40 yrs away and will allow for a comfortable pollution free, and abundant existance on earth and beyond....to name but a few ideas within the scientific tool box...but that is another discussion altogether.....

    on another issue..hey weres those references of blooms that you disproved????

    lolol... I didn't disprove anything; scientists admit their own mistakes. Holy crap... I'm only used to seeing such lists of rationalization coming from 15 year olds. Maybe that's the case. You're wrong about the lifespans. Humans did, on average, live up to 30 years. In those days the death rate of newborns was considerably higher, something we don't have. Thus, by statistical illusion, it seems that everyone only lived 30 years, and what seems like a longer lifespan is the result of more people surviving, and so we have a population explosion. I'm tired of this... you simply continue to prove my point. Yes, technology keeps us from getting eaten by lions. That fact is the reason people don't understand what true nature is, and it is also why human beings have lost their place in it. You are so afraid of being uncomfortable, so afraid of your inevitable death (maybe in 5 minutes, maybe in 50 years) that you resort to every means possible to try and get control. But the fact is, son: the Universe is chaos and there 'aint nothin' you can do about it. Get over yourself.

    To Anonomous,
    What follows is a copy of my reply to DJK, your recent debater,
    For your edification. I thought it would give you a boot for Xmas!

    To DJK,
    I thought my following past review of Bloom's "Global Brain" may shed new thoughts on your quest for clarity. I recall you asking for such in your recent comments to "Anonomous." Obviously you question some bloom-tome tunes!

    If you wish to pursue this commentary, I'll await your response. The REAL McCoy on life and the universe can be experienced in a treatise that I call, "OMNIVERSE!" It's an eye-pop revelation reaching far beyond Bloom's scratches!

    AN IN-THE-BANK REVIEW OF BLOOM FROM MARS

    Howard K. Bloom, the popular-of-late, self-appointed, cosmologist and commander of the Starship "Global Brain," suffers from a common ailment found among the genre of authors who are identically-stylized by the obsessively-pervasive scripted treatment permeating and littering the literary nooks of some auto-spawned Praesentationệ Feignetế ầ Spectaculum; an arterially-channeled, hope-to-become an orthodox-to-be, indoctrinational neo-cosmism.

    The toe-tag danglin’ from such strange, neurologically-bent patients clarifies their malady to be of “neurologically-megalaholic” origin, naturally! Bloom’s intoxicatingly penned flambếs are ticklish, skillful, and artfully oriented to be ever inflammatory. His whole “Global-Brain” megillah bears this toe-tag medical handle: “Cosmcosmopolitanizationic Phoebia.” Treatment specialists quaintly paint Bloom’s malady with a more pithy nomenclature. Whenever they are hovering ‘round the institutional water cooler they’ll refer to it as,
    “CosmiCom-Pollyanna!”

    Bloom generously endows his latest flight manual with his broad-brush, broad spectrum, and horizontally-orientated philosophy. Applying his “beam-me-up, Scotty” flair, and pithy one-liner style, Bloom sets out to convince us that everything on planet earth is consciously, universally aware, and is really a presciently intelligence machine, in control of its evolution both micro- & macro-scopically. Nature operates sort of like the "Matrix" movies scenarios.

    In order to give his "opus" an allure of credibility and robustness the book is well endowed with footnotes and a bibliography. In fact, they occupy 150 pages in this, a 370-page book.
    That’s over 40% of the tome devoted to referencing; a mite bit of over-killing, I’d say, for his readers.
    It’s almost like, “the writer protesteth too much.” Bloom seems to strain to the extreme to prove something.

    It's a shame that he does not check the veracity of his citations. For instance: On page 59 we have the "in the wild" a tale of aggressive chimpanzees throwing stones at tigers?? HELLO!! It's a most comical and elemental oversight on Bloom’s part. He must be aware that tigers are only found in Asia, and chimps are restricted to Africa. OK, OK! Maybe Bloom’s ape had a strong arm!

    It's this sort of sloppiness that gives the behavioral sciences a bad name. The recent imbroglio over the anthropological studies of the Yanomamo Indians in the Amazon jungle is a product of such ill-disciplined research. Like so many writings toying on the fringes of social science, Bloom’s ramblings, too often, get dangerously close to the murky world of pseudo-science.

    The book claims to reveal and explore the "Evolution of the Mass Mind from the Big Bang to the 21st Century". We are given endless details on the sex-life of Archaeozoic primitive life forms and gory descriptions of pornographic Neolithic cave paintings (p103 -104).

    The bloom of western civilization these past 500 years, which includes the “Renaissance” and the “Enlightenment,” and the last 150 years of Technology Development, is dismissed in a few flimsy chapters. Surely, if there is a “Global Brain” emerging, the best evidence would be seen in the works of Galileo, Newton and Einstein. However, the great Italian seer is flimsily dressed by Bloom in the underwear of a mere few lines, portrayed as an improviser of telescopes; whereas, Isaac and Albert don't rate even the courtesy of a mentioning in his "Global Brain" book!

    Bloom seems to endorse the mentality of the mob. He gives himself away when describing the maverick ants (p38) who go hunting for new food sources away from the colony. Bloom says they merely "stumble" on food; they don't explore systematically or work rationally towards their discoveries. This behavior which can result in saving the colony from starvation is done by individual trailblazers, not by the "mass mind" of the collective machine.

    Bloom weaves his exploitive thesis’ pursuing a convoluted voyage along paths already well worn by followers of Darwin, Marx and Freud. Despite his tenuous arguments and histrionic style, Bloom may be right after all. Do you wish to know the real test? The real test will be when his Global Brain takes up chess!

    Just in case the above review fails to convince any “Bloomer,” the following snap-reviewer should be a clincher. Apply it whenever you open a book or article composed by Bloom!

    You unlock this door with the key of imagination
    Beyond it is another dimension; …
    You’re moving into a land of both shadow and substance,
    Of new things and ideas;
    You’ve just crossed over into,
    THE TWILIGHT ZONE!
    Do-do-do-do, do-do-do-do, ….

    Kisadios (not verified) | 12/19/09 | 19:47 PM
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    Kisadios
    It might surprise you to know that I agree with you on much of bloom's style and conclusions but on this particular piece he is clearly correct and tells his story in a way that even the dullest of GW doomsdayers should understand and appreciate.

    Hey, "Anonomous" and "Djk." Both of you are wonderful, with a basket of logic and great scenarios, to be sure! Meanwhile; while you kill each other, Bloom laughs to the bank! You both are in need to read "OMNIVERSE!"

    My handle is, "KISADIOS." That stands for (just in case you wonder) "KEEP IT SIMPLE AND DO IT OFTEN, STUPID!"

    My handle simply addresses exactly what is WRONG with the world of the "BLOOMERS!"

    You both will need to read "OMNIVERSE!" before your longings will be sated!

    Meanwhile, PLEASE; enjoy YOU a MERRY CHRISTMAS!

    I agree! you said nature consciousness was a metaphor and now you say it sees fit to grow our brains. your all intelligent design buddy. first fact of science... bacteria and viruses are at the top... they way better than us

    lol... PS for someone accusing me of only looking at the bad... you do a pretty good job yourself when it comes to simple living. I'm convinced you have to substantial knowledge about cultures of wilderness. Do some research on native-american lifestyles and you'll find that they were doing pretty good until we westerners brought the disease, violence, and puritanism, and wiped out instead of learning. Something very similar to what westerners are doing now.

    "convinced you have **NO** substantial knowledge"

    Your lack of evidence against Bloom's so called disproved references is so overwhelming.... so incredibly profound and specific that you have convinced me and all readers on this blog! You have made me a convert to the luddite doomsday ideology. I will personally give up and join your ranks..and complain and whine about technology ....while typing away on my computer keyboard...(no irony here..move along!) and I'll just run my SUV at full throttle...Hell were all gonna die any how?....screw it! or should I move to a small cabin in the woods and build bombs and opion for a time when savages scalped each other and resorted to canibalism to survive...oh wait thats been done...see Ted Kazinski aka unibomber...!
    Im done here I think you proved my point and illustrated your ignorance for all!

    my god, you are the most stupid person I've ever met. you approach logic with as much grace as glenn beck. you and fox news have so much in common. dumb ass

    whats that??? I cant hear you my computer doesnt recognize the drum beating and antler rattlings of your primitive luddite communications system....you will have to bang your sticks harder. I am going to take your previous advice and conserve on the energy needed to try and educate the primitive likes of you...good bye shit for brains!

    *yawn*

    zzz

    Looks like you exposed another GW idiot and fraud peddler DJK.
    Its funny how these morons make accusations but cant back them up when their bluff is called.
    He resorted to insults when he couldnt come up with the disproved references what a BS-er? Nice job at flushing out the turd!

    Actually, it's funny how you take one argument I make, and believe that it represents every argument I made in the discussion. That's a well known flaw in logic. Although you're right that I didn't back up my claim, doesn't mean it was a bluff, since you didn't actually see my cards. I don't have the time to re-search everything I did before, and then post it so that bloom can use my work for free. I will say that it includes several rat studies in the lucifer principle which were discounted by the researchers themselves, and which are central to the argument bloom makes. And best of all, you're probably the worst person to leave a comment since you resorted to insult when you never had anything to say in the first place. You're a monkey who joined in without knowing why.

    Ok I thought we were having a civil debate untill someone accused someone of having "no substanstial knowledge"
    who was it that resorted to insult instead of retort? Actually if you scroll up the page you will find some insult about a 15 year old that I ignored before the debate was pushed down the drain of civility.
    As for the debate, the central point you started with was that blooms credibility was wrong as it applied to this piece because he had no reference,,,Which I am sure is wrong..you then switch to the validity of those references ...and I said OK show me the bad reference....not any bad reference since humans are not perfect but specifically the global warming bad reference...which there may be? but you just do a drive by attack and dont even attempt to back it up! Then you twist the argument away to the worthlessness of technology and resort to insult...now you claim that it was me who resorted to insult...well I am guilty of joining you at the bottom...but I could ignore your arrogance only to a point. And for that I am a sorry monkey....does that make you feel superior? Are you vindicated? The bottom line is you have not provided those references...perhaps your time is too precious...So I guess we will all have to take your word for it Bloom is wrong because you say so. Bloom does have faults dont get me wrong...I disagree with plenty of his analogies and conclusions yet I think he hits this one right on the head because of plain old common sense. You may have trouble finding the reference on that...it is very broad and elusive for some.

    I accused you of having no substantial knowledge about wilderness cultures: societies without Church or State that encourage simple living. I said it because you linked simple living with ancient civilizations and one serial killer, which is incorrect, and you later proved my point by characterizing native societies as savages who spend their time scalping people. This convinces me that you don't know anything about native-americans. You took an argument as a personal attack.

    I did not simply call you a 15 year old, I said you rationalize like a 15 year old by making long lists of platitudes and presenting them as argument, which is what you did.

    As for the central point I started, I actually said pointed out that this article had as much reference as the articles which Howard is criticizing. I said that it is hard to believe this article more than theirs since neither party presents any strong evidence, with respect to this particular political debate.

    My comment about the validity of Bloom's referencing was a side-note to say that the lack of reference in this article prevents us from checking the validity of what he says. I also never said technology is worthless, I said our need for technology is making us incapable to live in nature without destroying it. I also said that we can't use technology to solve a problem that technology creates. It's like hitting a computer that's not working because you hit it by accident-that method doesn't fix the computer.

    I didn't claim that you resorted to insult, I said that to James H. But I thought James H was someone else since he is supporting you, but apparently you made that comment under another name to support yourself lol.

    As for my arrogance... you are the one saying that there is no problem with humans wiping out thousands of species of life, as long as we get our heated homes, computers, and cable TV.

    My point is exactly that you shouldn't take someone's word just because they say so. I made that point because that's exactly what you are doing... I quote you: "The truly good and clean scientists have loyalty to truth above all. As a passionate lover of truth and liberty I salute you". You say this when this article is political, not scientific. A scientific article has references that can be validated, this one does not, thus you logically cannot be certain of its truth. On top of that, science has nothing to do with common sense; actually, experiments often undermine common sense through rigorous testing and verification. You miss the point, this article is political rhetoric, not scientific fact.

    Hey, "Anonomous" and "Djk." Both of you are wonderful, with a basket of logic and great scenarios, to be sure! Meanwhile; while you kill each other, Bloom laughs to the bank! You both are in need to read "OMNIVERSE!"

    My handle is, "KISADIOS." That stands for (just in case you wonder) "KEEP IT SIMPLE AND DO IT OFTEN, STUPID!"

    My handle simply addresses exactly what is WRONG with the world of the "BLOOMERS!"

    You both will need to read "OMNIVERSE!" before your longings will be sated!

    Meanwhile, PLEASE; enjoy YOU a MERRY CHRISTMAS!

    BTW can you provide any examples of those particular references you looked up that were outdated and disproved. I have thus far found few faults in his ideas but accept that there may be faults. I am eager to learn of all such counter-view points because scientific method requires this.

    As for this piece.....I know that Bloom always responds to emails...(which must be exhausting) yet I am sure if you asked for references in regard to this story he will or already has provided them. I would like to know which ones are specifically outdated or disproved.

    Please 'scuse my poke!

    Bravo! Great sparring between "Anonomous" and "DJK." Both, at times, appeared to be spittin' in the wind, due to their huge egos; after all, It takes great egos to create great, interesting debates! It ended in great spite, too!

    To the entity referred to as "DJK," who seems to be hootin' round the Bloom Totem Pole, he asked "Lol?" for proof of mis-info in Bloom's monumental works. Here, DJK, is a litlle, teensy-weensy peek thru the Bloom mis-info window:

    (DJK to Anonomous: "on another issue..hey weres those references of blooms that you disproved????
    DJK (not verified) | 12/10/09 | 16:20 PM")
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    From "The Lucifer Principle, page 76" Bloom writes: "The Slavs and Jews from whose bones she (Bertha Krupp) ground her fortune, on the other hand, were of a distinctly different subspecies. Bertha and other Germans of the time referred to these subservient beings with one simple word: stucke - "livestock."

    The word, "stucke" in German means, "LANDS." The German word for "livestock" is "VIEHBESTAND." Also, the prisoners that were Eastern Slavs and Jews, which Bloom writes about were "Osterbeitens" (lowly slaves) by Nazi standards. "Osterbeitens," especially Jewish ones, were forbidden to work in "Arms & Munitions" factories, such as the "Krupp Factories" in Essen, Germany. Such prized jobs were given to the elite prisoners. When Nazis resorted to derrogatory language for prisoners, especially Jews they called them, "'UNTERMENSCHS" (underhumans).

    Writers, like Howard Bloom, while grinding away on their axes, are sometimes blinded by the light (sparks). It is good for us, (and you too, DJK) to miss out on some entrapping totem pole rallies. EVEN EINSTEIN ERRED, EH?

    To kisadio
    I was not implying that Bloom was never wrong or that there was anyone who was without fault. My debate with annonymous was a retort to his questioning of this peice that Bloom wrote and his lack of reference or disproved references as they applied to this debate. Annonymous never provided those references instead he/she just did a drive-by attack on bloom because he didnt like the logic of Blooms argument. When I pressed him to provide the disproved reference he resorted to name calling ect. I have no doubt that Bloom isnt perfect...neither was Columbus but he was still correct about the world being round...and Bloom in principle is correct about the nature of weather and where we stand in the grander scheme of things...he clarifies how we should really be thinking...he describes the big picture to those hell bent on starring down the tunnle.

    Well Said, Carbon Unit DJK! If I fired an errant missile your way it was unintentional. My email was meant to applaud you and "A" on a most informative & spirited bout. Mutual Accolades were rare to be found. While I saw no knockout, I must say that you edged a win on points, in my humble opinion. You're heavily beefed-up on Bloom, obviously, whilst "A" must've been lax In his sparring sessions leading up to the bout with you. However, he did manage to get a few good licks in. (example: "You make a good point. But I'm not advocating conservationism, I'm for preservation. Conservation is about making sure our resources are intact, which is still an anthropocentric way of viewing the world. Be as self-centered as you want, but the next Copernicus will come along and shoot you down.") So True!!

    Intellectual Proprietarianism peaks prominently whenever new inventions & discoveries are made. The highway of human progress has been, & will always be, strewn with the discarded innovations of dead or dying "giants." Their genius is always of a temporal nature. New generations pick out the useful parts, upon which our new gimmicks are constructed, while discarding the proprietarial assumptions of the scientific giants of the past and upon whose shoulders they stood; like, Copernicus > Galileo > Kepler > Brahe > da Vinci > Newton > Haley > Hubble > Einstein;
    & now the latter's Holy-of-Holy Theory, "E=mc2," is being dismantled by a new kid on the block, - "Quantum Physics."

    Today, as we speak, Howard Bloom is in vogue. He appears fresh, brilliant, & inciteful, perched on the shoulders of the likes of Paul Maclean (Father of the "Triune Brain" theory), and is opens new doors for our truth-questing minds. Will we see him in the same light 10, or 20 years hence? Not if thoeretical history holds true to its dictates.

    I believe that we are all on the same page regarding Bloom. I think he is a genius-amateur on scientific matters. It's his gift of penmanship that shines most; also, his devotion to extensive research for gathering his ideas together. The best guiding light when attendant within the inner sanctums of the Blooms of the world is that old faithful quote:
    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." (Tout Court!)Shakespeare's, "Hamlet", Act 1 scene 5.

    My outsider opinion of your Bloom-based debate? You both seem to be heading for the same destination on the same train. However, your emotional ego-driven middle "Bellium" (Triune Brain Theory) is keeping you apart. As intransigent as railroad tracks upon which your train of knowledge is chug-a-chuggin' on!

    You both have the power to change your debate's tail-end animosities by jumping to your "neo-cortex" with good sportsmen-like, Xmass-spirited, apologies & well-wishing greetings! Come, Come, ... Giants like You can do it!

    I would enjoy continuing this triune-brainy analysis' if you'd like. There's so much for us to explore in these times.

    To DJK,
    I thought my following past review of Bloom's "Global Brain" may shed new thoughts on your quest for clarity. I recall you asking for such in your recent comments to "Anonomous." Obviously you question some bloom-tome tunes!

    If you wish to pursue this commentary, I'll await your response. The REAL McCoy on life and the universe can be experienced in a treatise that I call, "OMNIVERSE!" It's an eye-pop revelation reaching far beyond Bloom's scratches!

    AN IN-THE-BANK REVIEW OF BLOOM FROM MARS

    Howard K. Bloom, the popular-of-late, self-appointed, cosmologist and commander of the Starship "Global Brain," suffers from a common ailment found among the genre of authors who are identically-stylized by the obsessively-pervasive scripted treatment permeating and littering the literary nooks of some auto-spawned Praesentationệ Feignetế ầ Spectaculum; an arterially-channeled, hope-to-become an orthodox-to-be, indoctrinational neo-cosmism.

    The toe-tag danglin’ from such strange, neurologically-bent patients clarifies their malady to be of “neurologically-megalaholic” origin, naturally! Bloom’s intoxicatingly penned flambếs are ticklish, skillful, and artfully oriented to be ever inflammatory. His whole “Global-Brain” megillah bears this toe-tag medical handle: “Cosmcosmopolitanizationic Phoebia.” Treatment specialists quaintly paint Bloom’s malady with a more pithy nomenclature. Whenever they are hovering ‘round the institutional water cooler they’ll refer to it as,
    “CosmiCom-Pollyanna!”

    Bloom generously endows his latest flight manual with his broad-brush, broad spectrum, and horizontally-orientated philosophy. Applying his “beam-me-up, Scotty” flair, and pithy one-liner style, Bloom sets out to convince us that everything on planet earth is consciously, universally aware, and is really a presciently intelligence machine, in control of its evolution both micro- & macro-scopically. Nature operates sort of like the "Matrix" movies scenarios.

    In order to give his "opus" an allure of credibility and robustness the book is well endowed with footnotes and a bibliography. In fact, they occupy 150 pages in this, a 370-page book.
    That’s over 40% of the tome devoted to referencing; a mite bit of over-killing, I’d say, for his readers.
    It’s almost like, “the writer protesteth too much.” Bloom seems to strain to the extreme to prove something.

    It's a shame that he does not check the veracity of his citations. For instance: On page 59 we have the "in the wild" a tale of aggressive chimpanzees throwing stones at tigers?? HELLO!! It's a most comical and elemental oversight on Bloom’s part. He must be aware that tigers are only found in Asia, and chimps are restricted to Africa. OK, OK! Maybe Bloom’s ape had a strong arm!

    It's this sort of sloppiness that gives the behavioral sciences a bad name. The recent imbroglio over the anthropological studies of the Yanomamo Indians in the Amazon jungle is a product of such ill-disciplined research. Like so many writings toying on the fringes of social science, Bloom’s ramblings, too often, get dangerously close to the murky world of pseudo-science.

    The book claims to reveal and explore the "Evolution of the Mass Mind from the Big Bang to the 21st Century". We are given endless details on the sex-life of Archaeozoic primitive life forms and gory descriptions of pornographic Neolithic cave paintings (p103 -104).

    The bloom of western civilization these past 500 years, which includes the “Renaissance” and the “Enlightenment,” and the last 150 years of Technology Development, is dismissed in a few flimsy chapters. Surely, if there is a “Global Brain” emerging, the best evidence would be seen in the works of Galileo, Newton and Einstein. However, the great Italian seer is flimsily dressed by Bloom in the underwear of a mere few lines, portrayed as an improviser of telescopes; whereas, Isaac and Albert don't rate even the courtesy of a mentioning in his "Global Brain" book!

    Bloom seems to endorse the mentality of the mob. He gives himself away when describing the maverick ants (p38) who go hunting for new food sources away from the colony. Bloom says they merely "stumble" on food; they don't explore systematically or work rationally towards their discoveries. This behavior which can result in saving the colony from starvation is done by individual trailblazers, not by the "mass mind" of the collective machine.

    Bloom weaves his exploitive thesis’ pursuing a convoluted voyage along paths already well worn by followers of Darwin, Marx and Freud. Despite his tenuous arguments and histrionic style, Bloom may be right after all. Do you wish to know the real test? The real test will be when his Global Brain takes up chess!

    Just in case the above review fails to convince any “Bloomer,” the following snap-reviewer should be a clincher. Apply it whenever you open a book or article composed by Bloom!

    You unlock this door with the key of imagination
    Beyond it is another dimension; …
    You’re moving into a land of both shadow and substance,
    Of new things and ideas;
    You’ve just crossed over into,
    THE TWILIGHT ZONE!
    Do-do-do-do, do-do-do-do, ….

    "My debate with annonymous was a retort to his questioning of this peice that Bloom wrote and his lack of reference", and that was my point exactly. Although I find Howard's arguments solid, in all his books and articles, there are instances, such as this one and in Psychology Today articles, that include no referencing, and this, in my mind, should raise a red flag for anyone, even if it was Newton, Darwin, or Einstein who was writing. I find it unscientific and uneducated to have an attitude like nikki J. who says "I don't question your information". You might be surprised to find that you, Howard, and I all stand beside each other when it comes to understanding how the world works; our paths split when it comes to our beliefs about how the world should be, and how we can go about making the world a better place. This was not a debate about credibility, it was about belief. Since the article is about Howard's belief about the future of the human race, we disagreed based on our personal opinions. Yours led you to accept Howard's argument and trust he interpreted the evidence correctly; mine led me to accept his argument, if and only if his evidence is credible and well-interpreted. Since there is no evidence referenced, I found it difficult to accept his argument, though I may change my mind if I do find that evidence at some point. What fueled the debate is more about other comments made that stood on your side of argument; statements like "if violence has gotten us this far, it can surely get us further". We stand even further apart when it comes to our relationship with Earth and space. I believe, based on the assumption that we cannot move faster than light, that we cannot reach a habitable planet. It is impossible that we can survive that kind of space travel. Travelling at the speed of light (which the laws of physics states is impossible for our biology), it would take us twenty years to reach the only potentially habitable planet we've found. Space travel makes human biology and psychology unstable over long periods of time; it's extremely improbable that we can stand 20 years-if the planet turns out to be viable. What makes a species stable is its ability to survive within its ecosystem: this is scientific fact. I argue that we can't attempt to survive the natural cycles that Howard describes at the expense of our ecosystem. You argue that we must. In one article, Howard shows that consumerism is part of nature. What he fails to mention is that consumerism in the wilderness benefits all the species, either directly or indirectly. Human consumerism however, benefits only humans, it comes at the expense and detriment of other species. Our belief that we are above other forms of life will destroy the ecosystem that makes our species stable and able to survive. This is my argument. You oppose me to say that we have to overcome our ties in the ecosystem to survive the larger cycles of nature. You are right, if it turns out that our species, not just a handful of people, can survive in space for as long as it takes to find another planet that we then have to figure out how to survive on.

    BLOOM WROTE: "The bottom line? Weather change will come. Massive weather change. It will come with or without the mitigation of greenhouse gases. ... We cannot waste trillions on just one form of climate change. We have to be prepared for both fire and ice."

    Well, debaters "Anonomous," "DJK," and all you other great minds engaging in this global warming debate; if Bloom's "BOTTOM LINE" holds true (and we have reasons-a-plenty to believe him, do we not?!), then I submit that the whole Gore-led GW movement is an exercise in futility. Neither a Ronald Reagan, nor a Carl Sagan, nor a Summit in Copenhagen can amount to a fly-swat's worth of preventive change. While Ol' Man River jes' keeps rollin' along (being polluted by man's global civilization and technology), he rolls along on a Spaceball Earth that keeps on a'bobbin' along around Sol, swingin' the sledge hammer Moon around herself like some discus hurler; meanwhile, Ol' King Sol keeps on a'draggin around his melange of bobbin' and dancin' solar-centric brats, consisting of planets, moons, 'roids, meteors, comets, an AU-some assortment of rocks and rings, with baubles, bangles and beads, to boot. Now, the circle's still unbroken; because, as Howard Bloom points out, the Solar Caravan is being dragged around the Milky Way, and that big candy bar, too, is being dragged around her local cluster of galaxies, etc., etc., ad infinitum!

    Let's face it, folk, the world's scientific community is well aware of Bloom's "bottom line" verdict. Like one commentator stated in so many word, "we were helpless against a relatively small thing like 'KATRINA!'"

    That is why President Obama came away from the "Coping-in-Cabanas" Summit on December the 18th sucking on a political lollipop. Nothing has changed! Uhh, excuse me, Correction: WE, the American taxpayers, are some $11 Million poorer for Obama's 15 minutes of summit fame. Now, that's the real kinda change that Washington is causing America! More impressively, think of President Obama's meaningless foray as a trade-off equal to about 1100 homes for homeless, or a few fully-equipped health-care facilities. Now ask, "WAS IT WORTHWHILE TO GO?"

    The 65-nation summiteers, AKA, China, Russia, India, etc. said in affect, "LET'S ALL OF US AGREE TO DISAGREE, and DISAGREE SOME MORE! DO WE AGREE? ... REALLY, FELLOW SUMMITEERS, WE MUST DO THIS AGAIN NEXT YEAR; PERHAPS, BARBADOS WOULD BE NICE!'

    Prophet Bloom pointed out the futility of Gore's one-sided and superfluous "Climate-gate" (money-making) scheme to us. I commend him for a great "blog" and, would advise "Anonomous" to reread Bloom's article. "DJK" is right on when saying that we can't go backwards. Primitivization of the humanities is impossible. It's pure Tarzanic fantasy.

    It's like turning real life action and real world surroundings with its unmatchable ambience into an Oz-like, plastic, mimicky animated movie. They can never be REAL. Animation is very similar to primitivization. It's what Walt Disney would term, "The Plausible Impossible." Mankind's innovative, ever-complexing future course, good or bad (GOOD AND BAD), is destined to play out; there is NO GOING BACK. There never was! DJK and other astute commentators are correct (in my opinion) when they write, "See and pursue the future-positive and not the future-negative!" (sic)

    The Earth's climate rest in forces beyond our capacity to affect or change by more than a measurably-small fraction of a percentage point. Our resources are best channeled toward world peace, humanitarianism, clean, ample energy, population control, and suchlike more practical pursuits. Visit any archaological dig or tel (mound). A prime lesson is learned when we note that the innovative and more complex ruins always rest above. The more primitives cultures lie forgotten and dead beneath. Horse manure developed into a real and hazardous urban problem. We solved it with automobiles and motorization. Now we face emmission problems. Tomorrow we'll be facing .......

    The last few lines of your comment remind me of The Emir of Dubai, Rashid bin Saeed Al Maktoum statement which follows.

    "My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Land Rover, his son will drive a Land Rover, but his son will ride a camel."

    That is the ultimate question. Will we be flying Jetson cars or shoeing horses?

    Roll the dice........

    "Bill,"
    Emir al Maktoum had a great historical viewpoint, but he surely fails as a prophet (unless a future vehicle is named a "Camel"). My opt is for "Jetson Cars." Knowing human nature and our devouring, ravenous appetite for progress, there's NO GOING BACKWARD! We'll either conquer or die trying. Sure, temporarily, we resort to the expedient. We may ride a horse for sake of convenience if our car breaks down. But, backward tech is purely a temporary measure.

    Modern man(ette) enjoys pokin' round the old towns, temples, pyramids, and such; but, return to those cultures and life-styles?? NAH, ... NEVER! I wouldn't trade for an out-house, and neither would "Billonthehill," I'd venture to say.

    Our marriage is with the future. Good or Bad, for better or for worse; until death we do part! YOU BETCHA!

    You are wonderful, though; and, I appreciate your insight, "Billonthehill." Keep 'em coming!

    I would say that it is more than just bordering on OCD. LOL ;-)

    The last article I read of his, the citations list was longer than the article and it was a rather lengthy article! LOL
    Very indepth information without the "Political" propaganda. Simply FACTS. I don't question your information, I trust that you are honorable and honest enough that you don't need to lie. Thank you for putting this in layman's terms.

    Howard, thank you for your article. Your thoughts pulled me wayyy out into a grand cosmic perspective with respect to climate change. I love putting on the fisheye lens. If you don't mind, I'm going to switch it out for the 50mm and shoot the subject from another angle.
    ..........

    "The bottom line? Weather change will come."

    Moreover, the bottom line is that the sun will expand and engulf the earth on its way to going nova, scattering the planet's atoms across light years in a cosmic cloud of debris -- a planetary nebula. Dust to dust. And then on to universal heat death... (or at least that was the consensus when last I reviewed the state of cosmology).

    Howard: I appreciate you considering, and asking us to consider, the climate change debate from a cosmic perspective. From this we can draw a certain comfort, knowing that what happens to humanity next week, year, decade, millennium, matters not in the grander scheme of nature. Quite true.

    Climate change, as you suggest, should be seen as something to be overcome by our creativity, not something to be feared and beaten back by riding bicycles. It is but a potential side effect of an established system, the worldwide military industrial complex. And like most established systems, this one resists change.

    Talk of climate change, however, often hones in on global temperature shifts, sidestepping the more important topic of sustainability. No, not the sewing-machine fear and smokestackiphobia of Luddites, but true sustainability, that is, holistically understanding the capacity of the planet's resources to provide indefinitely for our global society. If we are to continue, as a species, in our technological and social progress towards what we all want, a world of peaceful cooperation and social equity (does anyone differ?), then we really ought to move swiftly towards an industrial economic system that, by design, is built to sustain the environment, the actual system that gives us life. It's a matter of survival of the species. Sustainability must be our goal. Cooperation our core strategy.

    I think we can also perpetuate the species another way. We can continue the old-fashioned way, with unbridled exploitation of earth and our fellow man. Rape, pillage, and walk away. We can squeeze every last ounce of potential energy out of this rock and take a bit with us to the stars, spreading our influence across the cosmos. It's the way that's worked throughout all of Western Civilization up to the present day.

    If violence (speaking in the broadest sense) has gotten us this far, it can surely get us much further.

    At every juncture we're faced with a simple choice. Do we take the path of violence, or the path of peace? Both will get us to where we want to go. Progress will happen in either scenario. Which one do you want?

    How does this all relate to global warming?

    The climate change debate, on one side, is a call to approach energy production and technological progress (and, more deeply, social progress) from a standpoint of sustainability, avoiding pollution and preserving the environment for our future use. This vision is achieved through maximizing efficiency and applying technology at the bleeding edge of our scientific understanding. It is also achieved through cooperation, a strategy that promotes peace. Isn't this what the climate change activists are ultimately promoting? Pursuing this vision is not, as you put it, wasting trillions of dollars.

    On the other side of the debate, climate change is a hoax designed to bring industry to its knees, a conspiracy to dethrown the world's superpower. This side cringes at the thought of hindered economic growth and clings to unfounded notions of a cap on progress. The thing that really gets to them, though, is the completely reasonable fear that adopting sustainable technologies on a massive global scale will ultimately lead to a loss of competitiveness. Solar and wind energy are too sustainable. These resources are too renewable. In fact, they're so abundant that they don't run out. They don't become obsolete. They can't become scarce. This is bad news for an established global power structure reliant on the control of the fossil fuel supply.

    The climate change debate is a surface level argument that obscures the much more important and underlying issues of pollution and sustainability. Those who oppose global cooperation (Howard, I am in NO way saying this is you! I know of your laudible efforts to push space-based solar power internationally, etc.) in moving towards environmentally-friendly approaches to energy production and utilization are, in the end, threatened by the very abundance of renewable energy sources. Renewable energy captured and distributed through a sustainable infrastructure, by nature, escapes commodification. Yes, we can point out the relative shallowness of the climate change debate and look at the various cycles of change on this planet and beyond, but let's never miss an opportunity to reorient this mired debate towards more important issues that threaten peaceful, cooperative progress on this planet. If we choose the path of peace, we can solve not only the pollution and sustainability problems (which are what the climate change debate should really be concerned with) but many other problems still unresolved -- poverty, disease, hunger, etc.

    Howard, in your work you encourage us to shift our perspective, to see the wonder right under our noses and to focus on the potential of human greatness, not to sulk in the bog of perceived sin and past iniquities. I have a feeling you're resonating with some of what I've written, but I could be way off. The danger I'm pointing out is that by pulling back our lens to such a great distance as you do, masterfully, it has the propensity to separate us from the immediacy of real concerns our world faces day-to-day. Doing this in some way gives us the sense that we're alleviated of our responsibility to the present. I'm just trying to keep us focused.

    THANK for "Speaking up" whilst presenting "Scientific" info with thought. I figured the whole idea & scandal is just a cycle, just like us humans have a life cycle. Seems PT Barnun was right "A fool &his $$ is easily separated"

    Finally a breath of fresh air! HA! HA!

    Merry Christmas (liberal) greetings, Anonomous, and please 'scuse my poke!

    Just in case that you missed the following emailing, I'm taking the liberty to forward it as a "reply" to you. I had sent these messages to "DJK," Regarding your great debate on Howard Bloom & his "Catastrophy" Blog noted above.

    DJK has responded to me (Kisadios) and I would welcome your imput, that is, if you get the inclination!
    I thoroughly enjoyed the debate and believe you should both take it into deeper levels for your readers!
    (See my appeal at the end of the following emails, then switch to "Neo-Cortex" mode; & may the Force be with you!)
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Bravo! Great sparring between "Anonomous" and "DJK." Both, at times, appeared to be spittin' in the wind, due to their huge egos; after all, It takes great egos to create great, interesting debates! It ended in great spite, too!

    To the entity referred to as "DJK," who seems to be hootin' round the Bloom Totem Pole, he asked "Lol?" for proof of mis-info in Bloom's monumental works. Here, DJK, is a litlle, teensy-weensy peek thru the Bloom mis-info window:

    (DJK to Anonomous: "on another issue..hey weres those references of blooms that you disproved????
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    From "The Lucifer Principle, page 76" Bloom writes: "The Slavs and Jews from whose bones she (Bertha Krupp) ground her fortune, on the other hand, were of a distinctly different subspecies. Bertha and other Germans of the time referred to these subservient beings with one simple word: stucke - "livestock."

    The word, "stucke" in German means, "LANDS." The German word for "livestock" is "VIEHBESTAND." Also, the prisoners that were Eastern Slavs and Jews, which Bloom writes about were "Osterbeitens" (lowly slaves) by Nazi standards. "Osterbeitens," especially Jewish ones, were forbidden to work in "Arms & Munitions" factories, such as the "Krupp Factories" in Essen, Germany. Such prized jobs were given to the elite prisoners. When Nazis resorted to derrogatory language for prisoners, especially Jews they called them, "'UNTERMENSCHS" (underhumans).

    Writers, like Howard Bloom, while grinding away on their axes, are sometimes blinded by the light (sparks). It is good for us, (and you too, DJK) to miss out on some entrapping totem pole rallies. EVEN EINSTEIN ERRED, EH?

    kisadio (not verified) | 12/15/09 | 08:52 AM

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    To kisadio
    I was not implying that Bloom was never wrong or that there was anyone who was without fault. My debate with annonymous was a retort to his questioning of this peice that Bloom wrote and his lack of reference or disproved references as they applied to this debate. Annonymous never provided those references instead he/she just did a drive-by attack on bloom because he didnt like the logic of Blooms argument. When I pressed him to provide the disproved reference he resorted to name calling ect. I have no doubt that Bloom isnt perfect...neither was Columbus but he was still correct about the world being round...and Bloom in principle is correct about the nature of weather and where we stand in the grander scheme of things...he clarifies how we should really be thinking...he describes the big picture to those hell bent on starring down the tunnle.

    DJK (not verified) | 12/15/09 | 15:43 PM

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    Well Said, Carbon Unit DJK! If I fired an errant missile your way it was unintentional. My email was meant to applaud you and "A" on a most informative & spirited bout. Mutual Accolades were rare to be found. While I saw no knockout, I must say that you edged a win on points, in my humble opinion. You're heavily beefed-up on Bloom, obviously, whilst "A" must've been lax In his sparring sessions leading up to the bout with you. However, he did manage to get a few good licks in. (example: "You make a good point. But I'm not advocating conservationism, I'm for preservation. Conservation is about making sure our resources are intact, which is still an anthropocentric way of viewing the world. Be as self-centered as you want, but the next Copernicus will come along and shoot you down.") So True!!

    Intellectual Proprietarianism peaks prominently whenever new inventions & discoveries are made. The highway of human progress has been, & will always be, strewn with the discarded innovations of dead or dying "giants." Their genius is always of a temporal nature. New generations pick out the useful parts, upon which our new gimmicks are constructed, while discarding the proprietarial assumptions of the scientific giants of the past and upon whose shoulders they stood; like, Copernicus > Galileo > Kepler > Brahe > da Vinci > Newton > Haley > Hubble > Einstein;
    & now the latter's Holy-of-Holy Theory, "E=mc2," is being dismantled by a new kid on the block, - "Quantum Physics."

    Today, as we speak, Howard Bloom is in vogue. He appears fresh, brilliant, & inciteful, perched on the shoulders of the likes of Paul Maclean (Father of the "Triune Brain" theory), and he opens new doors for our truth-questing minds. Will we see him in the same light 10, or 20 years hence? Not if thoeretical history holds true to its dictates.

    I believe that we are all on the same page regarding Bloom. I think he is a genius-amateur on scientific matters. It's his gift of penmanship that shines most; also, his devotion to extensive research for gathering his ideas together. The best guiding light when attendant within the inner sanctums of the Blooms of the world is that old faithful quote:
    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." (Tout Court!)Shakespeare's, "Hamlet", Act 1 scene 5.

    My outsider opinion of your Bloom-based debate? You both seem to be heading for the same destination on the same train. However, your emotional ego-driven middle "Bellium" (Triune Brain Theory) is keeping you apart. As intransigent as the railroad tracks upon which your train of knowledge is chug-a-chuggin' upon!

    You both have the power to change your debate's tail-end animosities by jumping to your "neo-cortex" with good sportsmen-like, Xmass-spirited, apologies & well-wishing greetings! Come, Come, ... Giants like You can do it!

    I would enjoy continuing this triune-brainy analysis' if you'd like. There's so much for us to explore in these times.

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    Very indepth information without the "Political" propaganda. Simply FACTS. I don't question your information, I trust that you are honorable and honest enough that you don't need to lie. Thank you for putting this in layman's terms.

    While I am the first to admit that we need to change this whole societal model and not soil our Earthly nest, I have felt all along that the 'global warming' angle had a inherently deceptive angle to it. Even if the root intent is altruistic and for the good, it is still masked in a lie.
    I am so glad you have addressed the bigger picture so well.
    There is 'climate change' happening all over the Solar System at this same time and the effort to keep looking so local and barely global is saddening and pathetic.
    Reading "The Cosmic Winter" by Napier and Clube I am struck by the knowledge that does exist and just how little of any of it has reached the common public. Much much bigger forces are at play and this world sadly lacks real unity. In fact all that has been created is frankly much the opposite. Everything else has been just a pose.

    Thank you for your article here. I was wondering why I felt so alone in this view of the situation and you so well articulated a profound truth that pierces the endless parroting of the media with the same old same old dumb down deception. ;)

    A correction: the Sun orbits the Galaxy every 226 million years, not 226 thousand.

    Howard, thank you for adding this point of view tio the debate
    Global views are always more accurate than "narrow thinking"
    I heard some scientists on the radio who explained that the ancient climate changes used to take longer time than the present change, say 1000 years versus 100 years for a 2-5°C rise, when atmospheric carbon dioxyde concentration has gained 40% in the last 50 years.
    So the present change must originate in slow and fast causes.
    Besides, we know well that high levels of energy consumption (cars, planes, heating/refridgerating systems, machinery) go with high levels of pollution, so it would be a great mistake going on the same trend as the last years regarding energy.
    Climate change is but a part of the sustainability problem

    Thats why I always recommend your books and memes of honesty and scientific knowledge. Thank you for stating what should be so obvious to the scientific minds who advise our world. Unfortunately, many scientists have sold thier love of truth and scientific method for the almighty grant from government or elsewhere. The truly good and clean scientists have loyalty to truth above all. As a passionate lover of truth and liberty I salute you and your refreshing articulation of what needs to be taught. Thank You!

    What I have learned over the decades is that when it comes to government and corporations, you need to follow the money. The truth usually comes out when you see who the "players" are who benefit from any kind of announcement. Al Gore's Cap-N-Trade is a money-maker, so this made me take pause in his "real" motivations. I believe that we have helped speed up the global warming trend, but we are not the sole reason; however, we do need to make some changes in the way things are done now or the rich oil men will continue to rule our world.

    Some things are scientifically measured as fact, but when others profit from it or "bend" the facts, take pause and follow the money.

    We are heading from one age into another as we cross the galatic rift Dec 2012. Moving from the Age of Pieces into the Age of Aquarius. ALL black hole have jets of radiation spurting out the north and south poles as they spin and gather in dust, stars, planets and anything else that comes along inlcuding light. But it also sends a 'musical note' that ripples OUTWARD along it's spinng equator and spreads throughout the milkyway galaxy.

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11900-booming-sound-waves-heat-up-...

    Dec 2012 will be our time again as foretold by several ancient civiliazations across the planet. the SMART thing to do would to be OFF planet and could ride INSIDE a "shielded" body as the Solar System WILL align with the Dark Rift and move from the Picean age to the Aquarian Age. Just a common sense brutal truth.

    And as the movie trialer points out in 2012...How would you prepare 6 billion people for the end of the world...you wouldn't.

    We could have instead of wars been building a space age economy and survival mode. The governments have known all this since at least end of WWII.

    Happy Holidays.

    Bob...:D

    Fact: December 21st of the year 2012 signals the end of a long and mysterious cycle of time—a Great World Age that began 5,125 years ago.

    Fact: With the 2012 Winter solstice, Earth enters into a rare celestial alignment creating forces that have not been experienced since last such alignment 25,625 years ago.

    Fact: The end of such cycles in the past have heralded a time of dramatic change on Earth, as well as opportunity for those living on Earth—changes remembered in ancient traditions and now confirmed in the scientific record.

    "What does 2012 mean for us today? History shows that World Age cycles of the past have triggered cataclysmic shifts in the Earth that have altered entire civilizations in the past. Today, the predictions for 2012 and what follows, range from an era of chaos and destruction to a thousand of years of peace and cooperation. What can we really expect from such a rare moment in time?

    New discoveries suggest that the message of the ancient timekeepers, merged with the best science of today, holds the answer to the mystery and the key to our future.

    The Bottom Line: If you know where you are in a cycle, then you know what to expect when it repeats!"

    Gregg Bradden
    Source: http://www.greggbraden.com/books_audios_videos/

    o Earth Crossing of the Galactic Equator: Update and Correction
    Correction:
    In Chapter 1 of Fractal Time, the 2012 alignment was attributed, in part, to Earth’s orbital crossing of the galactic equator. Deeper investigation has revealed that the sources for this data appear to be inaccurate. And while this equator-crossing perspective remains the opinion of some researchers, additional data strongly indicates that the alignment is due to Earth’s precessional wobble, and not the actual position of our solar system above, or below the galactic plane.

    * It is true that during the 250 million or so years that it takes our solar system to orbit the Milky Way’s galactic core, our orbit carries us above and below the plane through a path that looks like a sine wave.
    * Recent publications suggest a strong correlation between our location in this orbit and the energetic effects of the galaxy’s magnetic fields upon life here on Earth, including a shock wave that exposes the Earth to high-energy radiation every 64 million years or so. “Cycles in fossil diversity,” Nature 434 (10 March 2005), pp. 208-210 (abstract).
    * Data suggests that we are between 50 and 80 million light years “north” of the galactic core, and nowhere near a physical crossing of the equator itself.

    For clarity, the 2012 alignment is a positioning that is the result of the precessional wobble that completes each 26,000 years and not a physical movement from one side of the equator to the next. http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=1378: non-technical summary of these findings
    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v434/n7030/abs/nature03339.htm: technical abstract submitted to Nature in 2005.

    Source: http://www.greggbraden.com/home/fractal-time-calculator/updates/

    Gerhard Adam
    I'm always somewhat surprised at the strange kinds of rationalizing that occurs around these kinds of topics (Climate change, evolution, etc.).  It's as if the fact that atmospheric cycles occurring is evidence that humans can't effect anything, or that it doesn't mean anything.

    Clearly, weather cycles are a recurring event on the earth, however that doesn't mean that human activity doesn't exert an effect.  It would foolish to suggest that it doesn't.  6.7 billion humans will have an effect, just like microorganisms converting the early earth atmosphere was an effect.  A massive population of ANY species will have an effect and human activities are not an exception.

    However, that also begs the question of whether anything can be done about it.  Certainly people propose ideas, but the truth is that we simply don't know enough (and likely won't ever know enough) to exert the kind of control that we want.  If we do nothing, then whatever direction a process is moving in will continue, however if we do something, then even if we reverse the process we have no way of predicting what the end result of that would be.

    Like it or not, we interact with our environment and there is nothing we can do that would render us invisible.

    Similarly to discuss economic and political decisions, especially within the context of creating technical solutions is simply "whistling past the graveyard".  Our economic and political systems are far from perfect and, just like the earth's cycles, we really don't know how they work or how to get them to do what we want.

    The biggest problem facing our society is that it is becoming clear that we cannot collectively afford the society we have created.  Regardless of how one wants to spread the blame, it should be fairly clear that whatever economic power is being wielded is not going to advance or support our species.  People may think that their personal success or failure is sufficient, however those results are trivial when it comes to the types of technological projects that may be necessary to ensure long-term societal stability.

    We've already demonstrated that a relatively minor event like Hurricane Katrina is beyond our ability to resolve.  Years later, it is clear that we don't have the economic power to "fix things".  Despite all the high-blown rhetoric about space colonization or manned missions, the underlying reality is that they are simply too expensive for any long-term commitment.  It's been 40 years since we went to the moon.  Does that sound like a society that has the resources to commit? 

    There are many problems to be solved, and perhaps we'll even solve some of them.  Humans are no different than any other species when it comes to longevity on this planet.  That means that we can also go just as extinct as any other species.  Whether we do or not, is also (at this point) unknowable.
    Bravo! Great sparring between "Anonomous" (LoL?) and "DJK." Both, at times, appeared to be spittin' in the wind, due to their huge egos; after all, It takes great egos to create great, interesting debates! It ended in great spite, too!

    To the entity referred to as "DJK," who seems to be hootin' round the Bloom Totem Pole, he asked "LoL" for proof of mis-info in Bloom's monumental works. Here, DJK, is a litlle, teensy-weensy peek thru the Bloom mis-info window:

    (DJK: "on another issue..hey weres those references of blooms that you disproved????
    DJK (not verified) | 12/10/09 | 16:20 PM")
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    From "The Lucifer Principle, page 76" Bloom writes: "The Slavs and Jews from whose bones she (Bertha Krupp) ground her fortune, on the other hand, were of a distinctly different subspecies. Bertha and other Germans of the time referred to these subservient beings with one simple word: stucke - "livestock."

    The word, "stucke" in German means, "LANDS." The German word for "livestock" is "VIEHBESTAND." Also, the prisoners that were Eastern Slavs and Jews, which Bloom writes about were "Osterbeitens" (lowly slaves) by Nazi standards. "Osterbeitens," especially Jewish ones, were forbidden to work in "Arms & Munitions" factories, such as the "Krupp Factories" in Essen, Germany. Such prized jobs were given to the elite prisoners. When Nazis resorted to derrogatory language for prisoners, especially Jews they called them, "'UNTERMENSCHS" (underhumans).

    Writers, like Howard Bloom, while grinding away on their axes, are sometimes blinded by the light (sparks). It is good for us, (and you too, DJK!) to miss out on some entrapping totem pole rallies. EVEN EINSTEIN ERRED, EH?