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    Cervarix, Gardasil Or Nothing? The HPV Vaccination Debate Goes On
    By News Staff | October 23rd 2008 02:00 AM | 5 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
    In the UK, the government has chosen the vaccine Cervarix for their human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccination program.

    But actual UK doctors choose Gardisal for their own children, says Phil Hammond, general practitioner, writer, and broadcaster, on bmj.com today.

    The reason has nothing to do with the effectiveness of either vaccine, but rather with genital warts.    "You’d be mad not to protect your daughter against genital warts if you can afford to." he quotes Peter Greenhouse, a sexual health consultant, as saying.   

    The genital warts lobby is largely undercover, he says, "but if it was breast cancer, there would doubtless be an industry supported march on Downing Street…There are no letters to the Times, and warts have never made it to the cover of the Mail."

    Both vaccines are equally effective against the strains of HPV that result in 70 percent of cervical cancers .   Gardisal also protects against 90% of genital warts.

    With 100 000 new cases of genital warts in England each year and condoms only reducing transmission by up to 50%, the far safer option is to vaccinate with Gardisal, argues Hammond.  But, although Gardasil is available privately to parents, at a cost of £350 to £400, most will not be able to afford it.

    According to Hammond, with the current cost of treating genital warts estimated to be £23 million in the UK, the government's decision may be a false economy. Within three or four years the use of Gardasil would have begun to have a considerable financial payback. 

    The government's cheap deal for Cervarix only applies to the vaccination program. The fact is that most doctors would recommend Gardasil because of the extra protection it offers, he writes.  And since they can afford it, they vote with their wallets.

    In addition, he argues that there has been a glaring lack of patient choice. Having chosen one vaccine for patients, the government has failed to provide information on the other vaccine, which is given no mention on the NHS Choices website or on the NHS vaccination site.

    He believes that for any licensed treatment, the public should be given quick and easy access to unbiased information on efficacy and safety.

    Comments

    Its a crying shame that money comes again before people !, Our children are given the cheaper vaccine in all of our schools, Then we are told of a vaccine called Gardisil, which is more safer ! but with a £400 price tag, only available privately. A vaccine in which doctors are giving to their own siblings, Is there something we should know ! I am from a poor background and would gladly give this to my child and so then a dilema, am i to feel guilty that i couldnt afford the better option and wonder then if she will be ok in her adult life. The government should pay for the better vaccine and then instead of the cheaper option, It makes sense if Gardisil is safer and can offer better protection, it should be the only choice !! A worried mother.

    gARDASIL HPV VACCINE

    1/VACCINES ARE MADE WHEN A HISTORY OF ACQUIRED IMMUNITY IS ALREADY/SMALL POX COW POX THE ACQUIRED IMMUNITY DEVELOPED AFTER INFEECTION

    WARTS ARE hpv THEIR IS NO CASE HISTORY OF DEVELOPING THE ACQUIRED IMMUNITY BEFORE VACCINES //
    NO HISTORY NO WORKING VACCINE

    WARTS GROW SLOWLY THIS VACCINE GARDASIL IS MADE OF THE 4 MOST DANGEROUS STRAINS ANOUTHER ANOMALY OF VACCINE MAKERS, NO HISTORY OF ACQUIRED IMMUNITY BEFORE THE VACCINE MADE NO WORKING VACCINE///// NOT CHANGING THE SUBJECT YOUR FOOD HANDLERS CARD YOU FOLLOW THE RULES YOU CANNOT MAKE UP RULES OF SAFE HANDLING FOOD PRACTICES///HPV VACCCINE GARDASIL THEY ARE MAKING UP RULES//RUSHING TO MANDATE IT FOR ALL UNDER 40 USA WORLD...TERRORIST ATTACK....

    THEY USE BACK DOOR IN ALL CONCERNS CITIZENS LOBBY, ACTIVIST, CLUB LIKE ZANTA, SECURITY LIKE GARDASECUIRTY, ECT. THE DOOR THEIR FOOT IN THE DOOR OF THE ACT GOVERNMENT ECT.......................

    Google "FDA report Gardasil May 2006"
    and "NHS HPV Fact Sheet"
    and watch http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=ND85hYDurv4 which highlights the key points in each document.

    The FDA report shows that Gardasil increases the risk of cancer in women who already have HPV,
    and the NHS document shows that 40%of women aged 20-24 already have HPV.

    DO NOT allow your children to get the vaccination, as you have no way of being completely sure that they have not already been exposed. HPV regularly does not show any symptoms. It is passed on via skin contact, not through body fluid, so condoms are not 100% effective. It can even be passed from mother to child during childbirth. With teenagers engaging in sexual experimentation at younger and younger ages, you cannot afford to take this risk.
    OPT OUT

    According to the CDC and the American Cancer Society (and many others) all HPV, high or low risk, are cleared by the immune system. But from what I have read that can take one to two years.

    With over 75% of people getting some type of HPV in their lives, testing for HPV, especially with the higher rates of false positives you report here, will lead to much useless testing and waste of resources.

    With a lag time of up to 2 years for someone to rid themselves of the HPV finding the HPV is clearly not an indication extra testing is warranted.

    Routine pap smears should continue and actions taken based upon those results.
    No testing for HPV should be occuring.

    Additionally, I think HPV vaccines are a waste of resources.

    My reasoning is as follows.

    1. HPV are a common infection nearly always cleared by the immune system.

    2. Anyone with a chronic HPV infection must have an immune system problem (nutritional deficiency, toxin-induced, genetic, immunosuppression etc.)

    3. Merck reports that cervical cancer is almost always accompanied by a chronic HPV infection.

    4. Gardasil provokes an immune reaction to 2 out of 36 types of HPV that “cause” cervical cancer. It does this using inactivated proteins that are part of the virus protein coat.

    Though I have yet to see any statistics regarding the type of HPV that have become chronic, I assume it will be one or more of the 38 that are blamed for cancer. (I personally don’t believe that cervical cancer is caused by HPV, but that chronic HPV infection is evidence of a compromised immune system and that compromised immune system allows the development of cervical cancer.)

    For the rest of this comment I will assume that cervical cancer is caused by a chronic HPV infection.

    If only HPV chronically infected people will get cervical cancer and that chronic infection is due to the immune system being unable to clear the HPV, there is a big problem. How can the vaccine protect against HPV if the immune system is unable to detect or destroy the inactivated proteins?

    I don’t believe it can. People whose immune systems are capable of detecting and destroying HPV don’t need the vaccine. People whose immune systems cannot detect or destroy HPV won’t react to Gardasil’s inactivated viral proteins and cannot be protected from a chronic HPV infection, or, ultimately, cervical cancer. These people also do not need the vaccine.

    More simply, the vaccine is not needed by people who clear HPV naturally and is useless for people who can become chronically infected with HPV.

    Additional problems surrounding this vaccine;

    1. Only a small percentage of HPV chronically infected women go on to get lesions or cancer, and a smaller percentage of them die from the cancer that develops. This is not a public health threat for which mandatory vaccinations should be required. A very small percentage of the USA population dies from cervical cancer (.003%). While I know that this number is still around 3-5000, and I am empathetic towards the victims, it is a huge diservice to everyone to vaccinate with a useless vaccine that will end up costing more than all other vaccines combined.

    2. The only state that has approved mandatory vaccinations (Texas) did so through an executive order from the governor. The Texas legislature revoked the order when it was revealed that Merck was behind some political contributions. The Governor's Chief of Staff has become a Merck lobbyist.
    An organization, Women In Government, is lobbying 20 state governments to mandate Gardasil, while they are taking hefty contributions from Merck.
    These are just three of MANY examples that Merck is clearly buying influence around the world in an attempt to make mandatory the most expensive vaccine ever created.

    3. Here's more... In June and October 2006 PBS' "The Jim Lehrer News Hour" did 2 interviews with Elizabeth Garner of Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston who enthusiastically supported Gardasil. Both interviewers (Jeffrey Brown and Margaret Warner) made personal assertions that Garner was free of influence from Merck.

    They are not very good reporters or they lied.

    The Dana Carver Cancer Institute made significant contributions to the Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, and Merck made significant contributions to the Dana Carver Institue.

    To make matters MUCH worse Garner is now Merck’s worldwide spokesperson for Gardasil.

    4. That is not the first time that Merck went to Brigham and Women's Hospital for help with a drug. During the Vioxx scandal they used a Rheumatologist to manipulate data on the heart attacks being caused by Vioxx. Vioxx is estimated to have killed 38-52 THOUSAND people. The people at Merck deny any wrongdoing, but deliberately ignored data and tampered with evidence to conceal the problems with heart attack and strokes. Merck ended up paying 4.4 billion to settle claims against it due to Vioxx.

    With Gardasil Merck is running a similar scam, but they have worked the kinks out, well, most of them anyway. The same people that tried to wriggle out of the Vioxx scandal are running the Gardasil show.

    How far should we be willing to trust them this time?

    5. Merck was a major sponsor in April 2006 for a PBS special on drugs and vaccines in a world threatened by many illnesses (RX for Survival). This was a 2-hour special which featured significant advertisement for Merck. Shame Shame on PBS, now truly a corporate partner instead of the bastion of objective truth we expect it to be.

    6. The INS is now vaccinating immigrants. I have yet to discover the way in which Merck manipulated this and whether they have started innoculating boys and men through this unscrupulous act.

    7. Gardasil and Glaxo's Cervarix protect against 2 of 38 HPV. If you are innoculated with Gardasil or Cervarix
    you will still have to get regular PAP smears and STILL run a significant risk of getting cervical cancer from the other 36 cancer causing HPV.

    8. The vaccine IS NOT PROVED to protect you from cancer. That proof is 15-20 years from now when the first wave of innoculees starts developing cancer. Merck is ready for that eventuality, however. They will say that the women were infected with one of the HPV they didn't protect against, they were already infected when they were innoculated or booster shots are needed. To determine the efficacy of booster shots will take another 15-20 years. By then the frauds that Merck is pulling now will be openly discussed as history.

    The bottom line - Gardasil and Cervarix is not needed for someone with a healthy immune system and cannot help those that can be chronically infected with HPV 6, 11, 16, or 18.

    It is useless!!

    we had a bad reaction to cervarix but i dont think gardasil is any safer.