WikiLeaks: Obama administration manipulated 2009 Copenhagen climate accord
    By Hank Campbell | December 4th 2010 04:46 PM | 23 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
    In another chapter in the War on Science, Wikileaks documents show that the US government was less interested in science accuracy and more interested in pushing its climate agenda during the 2009 run-up to the meeting.

    The diplomatic cables showed the Obama administration looked for dirt on nations opposed to its approach to global warming and waged a secret global diplomatic offensive to stifle opposition to the controversial "Copenhagen accord" which followed the climate change summit.

    The U.S. was not alone, obviously, in its efforts to make sure climate change impacted competitors more and its own people less.  China, the world's largest polluter, likes its exempt status under the vague 'emerging economy' designation and wants to maintain it.   But that gets short shrift since Wikileaks long ago abandoned its original mission of being a way for dissidents in oppressed countries to get real facts out about their situations and has instead become a one-man cult of personality aimed at undercutting the United States.  Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is currently in hiding from sexual assault charges in Sweden.

    Regardless of the Wikileaks documentation, worldwide climate change accords appear to be dead - even Japan has no interest in extending the Kyoto accord, meaning Kyoto will abandon the agreement with its name on it.

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    socrates
    Interesting lesson in the world of international diplomacy there, Hank. Thanks for that inside look. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean there was a disregard for science and I am not sure that is what you were implying. One can accept the evidence of global warming and still use strong arm tactics to try to have your way in the world of international diplomacy. The two are not mutually exclusive. The Wikileaks certain show that in the arena of international self-interest the US is as Machiavellian as any of the other nations, or even more so. I am not sure that should surprise anyone. Still it is interesting to read some of the details.
    Citizen Philosopher / Science Tutor
    Hank
    There's a much longer history to put much of this into context, too long to go into a comment here, but I will sum up; blogging basically came of age in the presidency of George Bush and 'science blogging' was primarily done by people who were never going to vote for any Republican but, people are people, so when the Bush administration engaged in this sort of stuff, it became a rationalization to insist that Republicans hated science.    The entire blogosphere jumped on that bandwagon.

    I was quite literally the only person in the science community who noted that all politicians dislike science if they disagree with it, not just Republicans so now that Democrats have run Congress for four years and the presidency for two and the exact same stuff still happens, I like to call it the Democratic War on Science.   Literally, none of the shrill politicos who framed every political decision by Bush folks as meaning Republicans were anti-science have noted how many times Obama has done this same stuff; not with rewriting science data on the BP spill (which Bush did on global warming), not in heavy-handed conduct on climate change (which Bush did), nothing.   It's a sad commentary on the partisan nature of scientists that so few are willing to hold people they voted for to the same level of accountability as they did the people they voted against.
    socrates
    I agree that whenever science is misrepresented for political propaganda, or commercial propaganda, or any other abuse, whoever is responsible, democrat, republican, or what have you, they should be called on it. Absolutely! At the same time, we must be careful we don't get dragged down to their level in the process, of course. (I know you are very careful to be fair, but unfortunately not everyone blogging shares that commitment)
    Citizen Philosopher / Science Tutor
    Japan wants an accord, a legal document (treaty), but since neither the US or China are cutting emissions under the current Kyoto agreement Japan doesn't want to continue with it. Japan has publicly had this position for a while. Japan has clearly said it wants another treaty. The countries who want to totally give up appear to be Canada and probably Russia.

    Hank
    Thanks to the recession, Japan will likely meet its Kyoto target so they have some credibility but I am not sure how you believe they want an accord.    Other countries are specifically citing Japan as the blockage in a new agreement so saying they want an agreement is the same thing the US does - it doesn't mean they want an agreement or they would ratify it.   The US happily agreed to Kyoto knowing it would never be ratified and Clinton had zero intention of pushing for it.   In the case of Japan, they set an impossible standard of insisting China ratify binding cuts (and stick to them) and, let's be honest, the times when a totalitarian government has ever followed a treaty are few.
    vongehr
    Wikileaks long ago abandoned its original mission of being a way for dissidents in oppressed countries to get real facts out about their situations and has instead become a one-man cult of personality aimed at undercutting the United States.

    This is a harsh charge and you need to back it up! When did Wikileaks abandon to make anything available that is potentially obstructing lesser tyrants? Did you hand them secret information that they refused to publish? BTW - is the cult status Julian's fault or is it not what is forced on him in order to distract from the real issues?
    Hank
    It's the third most well-known thing about the site, the first being the name and the second being Assange himself.   It didn't start out that way but that is why the original people have left.   Anyway, here is an example.  Assange, of course, says these claims are also part of the vast conspiracy against him.   Funny how he can't find any evidence of that.
    Last month the website's second most visible face after Assange – a German spokesperson who went by the name Daniel Schmidt, but whose real name is Daniel Domscheit-Berg – broke ranks to disclose that he had quit after being suspended by Assange for unspecified "bad behaviour". Like others who have since left Wikileaks, he cited both the website's direction and Assange's behaviour as motivating factors behind his leaving. "This one-dimensional confrontation with the USA is not what we set out to do," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Der Spiegel.
    vongehr
    He does not claim "a vast conspiracy against him", he goes on to calmly state that

    "We are definitely concerned about that perception, but it's important to stress that such a perception is not correct," he said. "Over the past four years we have published leaks from more than 100 countries, from New York to Nairobi. We always prioritise our releases based on their potential impact and the timeliness. The next release will be relating to Afghanistan. After that we will probably do some smaller releases of a timely nature."

    Even the CRU emails have been on Wikileaks (should make you happy), data of corporations may come next. The US is the biggest bully and thus deserves more attention. It is also supposedly free and democratic. It is hardly news that secret shit goes on in North Korea and who else but those who already know would be able to take notice (North Koreans check Wikileaks kind'a infrequently). It is important to make those who think such is only going on in countries like North Korea aware of what happens under the label of free and democratic. That is not "anti US"; it is sticking with the original important mission. I believe some of those who left were afraid of touching the big brother or had a different, hidden agenda.
    Gerhard Adam
    Why is it that criticism, the expectation of proof and verification is acceptable when discussing science, but is considered almost heretical when applied to politics?
    farahhani
    "Why is it that criticism, the expectation of proof and verification is acceptable when discussing science, but is considered almost heretical when applied to politics?"

    Hi, I'm new to the research world. Still fumbling and stumbling my way around so go easy on me please.

    reply to Mr. Adam: Criticism, expectation of proof and verification are acceptable, and up to certain extent, required in science because science is the mankind discovery of facts. In order to ascertain these facts remain true for eternity, those three things are needed as these facts are passed down as truth from generations to generations. But politics is fiction, and in essence, politics is really about power abuse. So they must live to that expectations.
    Farah Hani
    Gerhard Adam
    I agree with you, so what I'm really saying ... isn't that MORE reason to ensure that criticism is heard, proof is required, and monitoring of results occurs when dealing with politics?
    farahhani
    Mr Adam: In a perfect world, yes! But all these requirements would delay their work. And since politics involve all of mankind from various backgrounds, this type of delay may result in something worse than the current status of politics that we've grown accustomed to.

    For example, if President Obama has to carry out tests for his health insurance on an extensive and random number of individuals spread across every state in America, then do the data analysis, come up with the statistics to which he can base his projections and get criticism from the republicans to do his tests all over again, can you imagine how long this will take? How many lives would have suffered before a bill can be passed? Plus we haven't considered the notion that republicans are always out to go against democrats by default...

    Basically, I don't think the issue is that simple when it comes to politics. Things are more obscured, don't you think?
    Farah Hani
    Gerhard Adam
    I understand that decisions have to be made with incomplete and imperfect knowledge.  However, there is a distinction between not having everything available before a decision is made, and thinking that someone is above criticism.  People do have a right and an obligation to ask difficult questions and to ask what the basis for any policy decision is, regardless of the problems that may introduce.

    Right now, part of the problem in politics, is that everyone can make up their own scenarios and arguments precisely because there is no standard of criticism or factual information that can be examined.
    The botttom line on global warming is that anything that comes from the CRU cannot be trusted.In fact all to many "scientists" have whored themselves out for research grants and only those conclusions that agreed with the leftist human caused global warming paradigm were considered acceptable.The sad thing is that politititions look at mandates as chance for more controll.

    Gerhard Adam
    ...leftist human caused global warming paradigm...
    ...and if it's not human caused, this changes things how?
    Hank
    Then the sun is leftist.  One way or another, people who want to use words like 'leftist' and 'neo-con' are going to do it.
    "...Wikileaks long ago abandoned its original mission of being a way for dissidents in oppressed countries to get real facts out about their situations..."

    Hank, are you saying the real leakers, (as opposed to Assange, who is a publisher), are not dissidents?
    Are you suggesting there is no oppression in the United States?

    I note a certain US political advisor, Tom Flanagan, recently called for a Fatwa against Assange. Sometimes I find it hard to distinguish those fanatic middle-eastern types from the fanatical US right wingers.

    You know there is a very deep sickness in a nation that undergoes a voluntary self-suppression of media expression.

    Nominations for Wimpiest Nation on Earth award, anyone?

    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    According to Wikipedia in his blog Julian Assange wrote, "the more secretive or unjust an organisation is, the more leaks induce fear and paranoia in its leadership and planning coterie. ... Since unjust systems, by their nature induce opponents, and in many places barely have the upper hand, mass leaking leaves them exquisitely vulnerable to those who seek to replace them with more open forms of governance”.

    “Assange says that Wikileaks has released more classified documents than the rest of the world press combined: "That's not something I say as a way of saying how successful we are – rather, that shows you the parlous state of the rest of the media. How is it that a team of five people has managed to release to the public more suppressed information, at that level, than the rest of the world press combined? It's disgraceful”.

    “Assange advocates a "transparent" and "scientific" approach to journalism, saying that "you can't publish a paper on physics without the full experimental data and results; that should be the standard in journalism." In 2006, CounterPunch called him "Australia's most infamous former computer hacker." The Age has called him "one of the most intriguing people in the world" and "internet's freedom fighter." Assange has called himself "extremely cynical".”

    “On 28 November 2010, WikiLeaks began releasing more than 251,000 American diplomatic cables, mostly unclassified but including many labelled "Confidential" or "Secret". The following day, the Attorney-General of Australia, Robert McClelland, told the press that Australia would inquire into Assange's activities and WikiLeaks. He said that "from Australia's point of view, we think there are potentially a number of criminal laws that could have been breached by the release of this information. The Australian Federal Police are looking at that".”

    “Greg Barns, director of the Australian Lawyers Alliance, wrote "Mr. McClelland’s decision amounts to little more than posturing. This is because Mr. Assange would appear to have committed no crime under Australia’s suite of laws on disclosure of sensitive state information".Almost 200 public figures wrote an open letter to Julia Gillard, the Australian Prime Minister, calling on her to protect Assange. The United States launched a criminal investigation related to the leak of US government information by Assange and WikiLeaks on 29 November.US prosecutors are reportedly preparing charges against Assange under the Espionage Act.”

    I don’t like to think that people’s lives are being endangered by the release of secret information showing that they are Government informants for example, however I do think that the freedom of the press is very important and must be protected. If a Government organization has a right to secrecy then it needs to ensure that its secret data is kept secret, I don’t think it is right to shoot the messenger or journalist who feels he has a moral or professional obligation to deliver or share this secret information if it becomes available. There is a petition to ‘Stop the WikiLeaks Crackdown’ at http://www.avaaz.org/en/wikileaks_petition/?rc=fb
    Gerhard Adam
    If a Government organization has a right to secrecy then it needs to ensure that its secret data is kept secret, I don’t think it is right to shoot the messenger or journalist who feels he has a moral or professional obligation to deliver or share this secret information if it becomes available.
    I think the point is that if information becomes available, it isn't much of a secret to begin with.  Secondly, no organization has a "right" to secrecy and should only claim it when there is a demonstrable need for secrecy.

    All too often, government agencies invoke the issue of secrecy to simply keep unpopular or unpleasant aspects of their operations from public scrutiny.  Most people recognize that there are some things that should be kept secret and don't have a problem with it.  As I've said though, in most cases when the information is made public, it is hard to rationalize why it was deemed a secret to begin with (other than because it made someone look bad).
    wikkaleaks reminds me of Niels Bohr's open letter to the United Nations ...

    ustedes are familiar with it, its context and motivations ...

    .. nothing changes ..

    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    In Australia hundreds of people have rallied around the nation to protest against the arrest of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. See http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2010/12/10/3090647.htm

    There’s also an interesting Australian complaint in this video about French and German soldiers in Afghanistan organizing folk festivals, that sounds like a good idea to me, to make love and music not war.

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