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    Rethinking Green
    By Alex "Sandy" Antunes | May 6th 2011 02:21 PM | 3 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    In science, you need a theory, an approach, and a way to measure the results.  In politics, you only need an opinion and a microphone.  Therefore, it is interesting that a major Green advocate -- promoting sensible environmental solutions -- took the stand to criticize past Green efforts.

    George Monbiot (winner of a UN Global award, among others) recently scribed Let's Face it, none of our environmental fixes break the planet-wrecking problem.  There was immediate outcry and, as usual, the pundits somehow claiming this is proof that Green=Bad are missing the point on this.

    It is not that Monbiot is criticizing the goal or principals of Green, rather, he criticizes the approach and lack of cohesive solution-making.  Writes Monbiot, "none of us yet has a convincing account of how humanity can get out of this mess" -- the problem still stands.  

    We need this sort of understanding, because saying your approach is wrong does not (as Monbiot is being falsely accused) equate to that purpose being incorrect.  A
    s eloquently noted by Carl Sagan (in a 1987 CSICOP keynote):
    In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion.
    Understand that SAYING YOU SCREWED UP IS GOOD!  It's simple ignorance to cling to a position once you realize it's doomed.  Rather than being 'intellectually bankrupt', he's saying they need to put accuracy over ideology-- and who can complain with that?

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    Comments

    Hank
    I certainly agree we need to abandon magical thinking that lobbyists and porkbarrel-ists are bilking taxpayers with - 'if you'd just give us government money right now, it will be cheaper in the future because capitalism is awesome, but not so awesome we can do anything without government money right now' - but Monbiot, like clever sophists of the past, couches his disbelief that pollution can harm us in rhetoric of just wanting honesty, but really he just dislikes environmentalists.

    I think the article you cited makes fine points that as a strategic resource wanes, others fill the gap.   As a young man I remember plowing through bad fiction stories by Rachel-Carson-of-energy wanna-be's where the world was a shambles and the last piece of coal was in a museum somewhere.   But that's no reason not to go ahead and do some basic science for better solutions than the crappy wind tech we will end up getting because researchers think government funding is smart.
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    Big Business already gets massive subsidies, tax breaks and other government incentives at this "capitalism" game.

    Capitalism doesn't truly exist in this country. Every major industry is major because the government has incentivized it with taxpayer dollars. Big Oil, Big Coal, Big Agra, Big Pharma, Big anything is Big because of billions (or more) of dollars of investments. They don't even pay the consequences of their industry. If carbon was taxed or pollution was taxed, then we'd have a more level playing field for green technologies to work. In essence, we are already subsidizing Big Fossil by removing these cost pressures from the companies' bottom line.

    That's why we should be investing heavily into green technologies. Big Fossil doesn't play on a level playing field and neither should green technologies.

    Hank
    That's why we should be investing heavily into green technologies. Big Fossil doesn't play on a level playing field and neither should green technologies.
    This is in defiance of every bit of history and economics.   The Dutch don't control the tulip business nor is our economy based on whale oil or alcohol as fuel even though in all those scenarios they had the dominant positions.
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