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    Is It Still Sexism If No One Notices?
    By News Staff | June 13th 2011 12:04 PM | 9 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
    If you're in an older generation and a female calls another female "dude", it may seem strange to you.  It happens all of the time and should be a sign that sexism is less today but a recent study from Psychology of Women Quarterly says subtle, unnoticed daily acts of sexism like that, even women doing it to women, are a concern.

    They are not talking about overt sexism, such as the stereotype of union workers catcalling women who walk by, but rather things like calling women "girls" and not calling men "boys" or referring to a collective group as "guys" are subtle forms of sexism that creep into daily interactions. The study claims to helps not only identify which forms of sexism are most overlooked by which sex, but also how noticing these acts can change people's attitudes. 

    "Women endorse sexist beliefs, at least in part, because they do not attend to subtle, aggregate forms of sexism in their personal lives," wrote authors Julia C. Becker and Janet K. Swim. "Many men not only lack attention to such incidents but also are less likely to perceive sexist incidents as being discriminatory and potentially harmful for women."


    So in order for there not to be discrimination, women need to find too much of it and "see the unseen," the authors note, and make changes, presumably like correcting sentences from other women such as "hey guys, where should we go for lunch?" and noting perhaps the group needs to mix it up by asking, "hey dolls, where should we go to lunch?"

    The authors state that women need to be more militant about language - which will just get them invited to lunch less - whereas men need not only to be aware of the sexist behavior or comments, but also to feel empathy for the women targeted, which sounds like men get off pretty easily - is that sexism?

    The study goes on to claim differences in the way men and women's beliefs change once they become aware of subtle sexism.   They say their results are consistent with other studies which found that empathy is an effective method for reducing racial and ethnic prejudice.

    Comments

    rholley
    I have always regarded the use of “guys” to address mixed company as an abomination.  I have a feeling it infected Britain through the TV programme Friends.

    I could pretend to imagine what might be behind it, for example a flight from “male and female created He them” in the book of Genesis, or a PC preemptive strike on behalf of people who are of neither sex, or both.  But that might be a conspiracy theory.

    To me, Guy refers to Guy Fawkes, or Guy the Gorilla, both of these being quite macho characters.  For mixed company, I still use Folks, as in Wagen.
    Robert H. Olley Quondam Physics Department University of Reading England
    UvaE
    "Guys" can indeed get annoying. "Folks", a better alternative, is not gender-biased and it's kind of "folksy".
    These girls are in serious need of a life.

    At its website, POWQ is defined as "feminist", then described as "scientific [and] peer-reviewed ..." LOL.

    Kith and kin to the journals of "scientific materialism" that flourished in the old Red Bloc. New version coming to your hemisphere soon. Real soon.

    Hank
    We don't generally engage in ridiculing the irony of someone claiming to be peer-reviewed feminism but thankfully you did it for us!
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    However inappropriate it may seem to those of us in a certain age group, the TeenyBoppers around this neck of the woods use the term guys to address all groups. It may just be that the females haven't become aware of the sexist connotations or it may be that times are a changing. What is certain is that the males don't give a furry rat's behind.

    :shrug

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    Anything I say must be considered Idle Speculation.

    Guys please. Words do not contain connotations or even meaning. Their usage in a given culture is what contains that. Language changes. If you stand in opposition to that change you will likely get run over.

    The word "lady" originated from "bread kneader". Shall we toss that word out because of its sexist origin?

    At the heart of this is the idea that you can control peoples minds by controlling the language they use. Sorry but that's nonsense. Meaning follows mind. Connotation shifts with culture. Don't believe me? Walk up to a random stranger and tell them they look gay.

    Controlling mind by controlling language is nonsense? Orwell would have a major bone to pick with you.

    Mind most certainly follows meaning, and culture most definitely shifts with connotation.

    Interesting you would choose "gay" as your example. It's a clear counterexample to your argument. The shift in its usage did have a practical basis, true. That basis, however, was the need for a political/social movement to make its agenda more acceptable to the general public.

    Orwell wrote fiction.

    And "gay" as used to refer to homosexuals goes back at least to 1920. If it was chosen to make homosexuality more acceptable it does not seemed to have worked very well. But in fact it was not. Its origin is the phrase "gay cat" which was used by older hobos to refer to a young hobo. They were looked down on and severely abused. Many of them were likely "gay" and that allowed the shift to the modern usage. But it was a derogatory term from the beginning.

    The modern move to accept homosexuality is driven by changes in culture and that will change language. Not the other way around.

    If the meaning of the word "guys" is shifting to refer to mixed groups then I can't but see that as a good thing. It is an obvious way language can change to reflect a more egalitarian culture. That its origin is male is not surprising nor do I find it troubling.

    Men call each other "boys" and "lads" all the time (e.g. "I went out to the pub with the boys last night", "Me and the lads used to play video games 'til 3AM in college"). How can anyone take an article or paper seriously if the author(s) can't even get a basic fact like that right?