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    Scientology ad still there
    By Tommaso Dorigo | November 1st 2010 09:20 AM | 32 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    The Scientology ad is still there (see below, right), a few days after I complained about it. I understand that it is quite hard to get rid of a single ad in a bundle, and I understand that it would cost money to give google back the whole bundle with the third finger pointed upwards. But that not-too-little glowing blue box on the right seriously impairs my belief that by writing for this site I am doing something positive for the diffusion and popularization of science.

    Now: sorting out the matter may be hard, but it must be done, because this site diffuses science, not science fiction, and I do not believe I am the only one here thinking that the presence of the ad is decreasing significantly the credibility of the site, of the articles, and of the writers. I suggest the site owner to block the full google box until google gives instructions on how to get rid of it. In the meantime, my will to write here something meaningful is close to zero.

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    I don't know, I think most people know enough about ads to know you probably don't have a lot of control over them and didn't make the decision for them to be there. Plus, I didn't even notice them until you pointed them out.

    I did not fully understand this issue. Then I removed Ad-Block :)

    Hank
    Did you see it when you took off Adblock?  I still can't get it to show up but I am in the US so the Google default ads I get are politics right now.   I am not sure if Scientology is trying to go to the heart of Roman Catholicism, so these ads are targeted just to Italy, or if they are using some shell company that is not listed in Google as religion or using the scientology URL without some elaborate redirect.

    Shutting off ads sitewide is not practical, since other writers like their income - obviously any individual writer on the site who does not want to be paid can request that ads be shut off for their columns and their readers will never see them.
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    I can't understand how this may be a problem for someone, especially if the ad is visually prettier than most of the blogs here. It's like trying to hide a Santa Claus - or the fact that he is imaginary - from small children.

    In my opinion, most adult people know that scientology exists, it's a sect, and it has enough resources to pay for ad. If the won't appear here, they will still appear on other places. Not a big deal.

    But treating scientology as the ultimate evil that prevents someone from writing a blog - if it just appears in a reserved place at some points - it's just crazy. I have never clicked on any scientology ad but I am sure that my feelings would be at most mixed and that there are at least 30% of organizations in the world - and 30% of ads - that are worse or much worse than scientology.

    Also, I don't understand Tommaso's authoritative tone. "I complained, and therefore my complaint automatically had to be reflected within hours". Huh!? Are you a dictator here? It reminds me of the randomly ejaculating godless communist Pharyngula who has the power to block Pepsicola from a major server.

    Richard King
    There have been many occasions when I have come across advertisements that do not fit particularly well with the content of the page, website, on which they appear. I simply assume that some words, interest areas covered, have triggered their inclusion by whatever programming that Google, et al use. They do not bother me, part from, occasionally looking a little quaint.

    I have no time for scientology, though I have come across many expressed views which I find equally quaint, including on this site. So what? We have myriads of understandings and views. I do not see much point in getting particularly worked up about it.

    Besides, it seemed a reasonable assumption that the site owner(s) would have considerable difficulty in controlling adverts on their site on a worldwide basis.
    Firefox comes with this nice plugin called Adblock Plus which basically hides all ads on web pages. Haven't seen any ads since I installed this plugin.

    Its kind of weird how Europeans believe scientology is some sort of boogeyman. As opposed to any other religious sect. Its all the same nonsense, and I include Islam/Xtianity/Buddhism and everything else in the mix.

    Seriously, ads are ads and I think any internet user under the age of 40 knows that they're a necessary evil so that we can get free sites with the content we want. I don't think I have even clicked on an ad site in the past 15 years, and its to the point where I just block them out of my peripheral vision. I very much doubt i'd even notice if there was a porn banner on the side.

    I've never seen your Scientology ad, so it hasn't influenced me to do anything more kooky than usual.

    It must be an animation, but I've turned those off. (I use Firefox with Greasemonkey to avoid a lot of noxious internet advertising etc.)

    Hank
    Today I am seeing all ads for gout medication.  It's like advertisers CAN PEER RIGHT INTO MY SOUL.



    They must think our demographic is all 75 year old Robber Barons - who gets gout in 2010??
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    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    We're also still getting the Scientology ad 'Down Under' if that's any help?
    Make love not war
    Steve Davis
    And yet I've never seen it Helen, the whole thing's very strange. Stick with us Tommaso, it's the price of free coverage.
    I block all ads, on all sites, at all times, no exceptions, no debate. I do not consent to be exposed to any kind of marketing, because it is a form of violence. That may be a purist position, but I think your previous commenters are on to something: this is an audience that knows how to defend itself. In the meanwhile, your country, your profession, every group that you can be construed as a member of, contains some non-zero number of genuinely vile individuals. Do they destroy your motivation?

    Ads, a form of violence,
    Destroy your motivation,
    But if you try to block them
    You're stuck with constipation.
    Burma Shave.

    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    Sounds like the Might Boosh!
    Make love not war
    (Sorry: previous comment was mine, inadvertently posted as "Anonymous")

    Jumping on the endless comments train, imho it's reasonable to think that the majority of your random readers will think even momentarily that you endorse scientology if they come across the ad (I haven't, but I get it on lolgod.com all the time). Even if they read an article directly attacking religion or sects, the impression that either this site endorses scientology or that scientology is something that belongs to scientific sites will stick subliminally -- don't act naive guys, this is what advertisement is about! the point is not to click on the link, the point is to make the product recognizable!

    Also, the vast majority of the vast majority of internet users *definitely* doesn't know how online advertising works and that it's independent of the site itself... If someone believes the opposite they better run a reality check.

    Scientology is different from major religions in the sense that the latter wouldn't advertise through google, and it's different from other sects and frauds in the sense that it's largely widespread right now. (This doesn't make it necessarily worse than the paranormal ads I get, but I'm just saying.)

    On the other hand, if a site stays alive by ads (even if it's one that I'm not a fan of), and it doesn't want to hire people to work full-time on finding clients, then there's not much left apart from google. And online advertisers for things as rich as scientology know by now how to circumvent URL blocking etc. So I guess this will need a considerable amount of blocking and re-blocking by hand, unless some hacker somewhere found a permanent solution to this kind of issues.

    Last, I saw that some people object to banning a religious ad from one's page. I think they confuse an ad with free expression - it's not the same as asking to ban readers' comments supporting scientology; an ad can't be contradicted.

    Ok, end of coffee break....




    Hm. Smth is wrong here, sorry. The comment above was supposed to say:
    Gaa, this anonymous was me...

    Pachu
    I get the scientology ad a couple times, i just ignore they.
    What i cant ignore is the Scientific Blogging T-Shirts ad .. is that a joke ? have you sell some ?
    In this page i get the ad 3 times one below the other...

    Maybe Hank should change his profile photo to one wearing the t-shirt  :-b


    dorigo
    Ok, thanks all for your contributions. In general, I have to say that it is true -one should just accept an occasional obnoxious ad as a necessary evil, and ignore it. Many have advertisement blocking in their browsers, others ignore ads.

    However, I think that a measure of consistency is required to be credible. I do believe that a site which offers itself as a place where people discuss true science should be sensitive to this issue; I thus find the silence on the matter of many fellow featured writers here rather deafening.

    Cheers,
    T.
    Hi Tommaso,

    I keep on following your blog but as you know well "non si puo' avere la botte piena e la moglie ubriaca". There is always Wordpress. Your old site is still there. We are waiting for you back home.

    Ciao,

    Marco

    dorigo
    Dear Marco,

    first of all, thanks for the visit. I think I have made a choice when I moved here, and it cost me something to do it. I would not like to oscillate... This sciencrapology thing (avoiding real name to avoid feeding internet spiders) is bad, but I think Mandeep is right (see comment below).

    Cheers,
    T.
    T- my quick opinion (and i haven't read through the whole discussion) - it's not so big a deal. I was hesitant when you moved here, but after a while, i realized i think it *does* add to your blog that i can click on the writings of others, which are at times pretty compelling. And i sincerely doubt any of *your* readers are going to become Scientologists, most certainly, so they're utterly wasting their money on your page.

    And it does seem that Hank (who is sort of the one in 'charge' the most here, from what i can tell?) is sensitive to the criticism and trying to accommodate -- if that's true that you yourself could completely block the Google Ads box, and thus derive no income from it (but i suppose still the other boxes), isn't *that* the way to go, since the money was never the significant issue for you? Seems to me this is the most reasonable, vs. just going right off the site on this one issue..?

    -M

    dorigo
    Hi Mandeep,

    I am answering you by email,
    Cheers,
    T.
    Mark Changizi
    Yikes. First I heard of it. That's not good. All things equal I'd like not to turn off the ads, not because I've ever cashed in (or have much to cash in), but because I'd like to see site owners prosper.

    (Then again, I'd like a setting where only tripe like that gets placed around my piece, making my writing seem even truer, by contrast.)
    dorigo
    Hello Mark,

    thank you for your comment. I think I may be making too much of a fuss of this issue, although I do feel strongly against that particular sect (and others who profit from people's ignorance).

    Best,
    T.
    I think the best way to think about these ads is that money is being taken away from a dangerous cult and given to people who are disseminating science knowledge, while their advertisements are diverted to a place where they can do the least harm by appearing to the group least likely to be convinced by them.

    Hank
    If that were true it would be okay but those were Google ads (they have been gone for two days so the discussion now is academic) so they don't pay anything unless someone clicks, they just annoy people.   I agree with you, though - I'd much rather they waste money here so we can make goat noises at them than have them spend it where it does some good.   But the detriment/pointlessness of a Scientology ad is subjective and certainly it's valid for a writer to just not want an ad that is personally distasteful.   

    We generally preemptively ban ads that take over the page or have flashing noises and lights and also if people complain.   But we can only do that after the fact Scientology has also plagued billion-dollar media companies and circumvented their filters.

    Busting ad filters that way is clever marketing on their part - if they get Tommaso to stop writing science, they win.   If they get people writing articles and comments about their ads, they win.
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    dorigo
    Okay, I also see that the ad is gone now, and that is a relief. The way MP puts it is interesting, but I do not feel totally rational with this issue...

    Let's forget about it and hope we can keep it that way.

    Cheers,
    T.
    Aitch
    Tommaso/Hank

    I don't know whether this may assist, but I just went to log in, having removed no-script from my browser, as it was causing page load problems, and I saw this



    Both adverts contain Chatham reference, my home town, and clicking on either advert link causes my WOT plugin to go into alarm mode, telling me the site [advertiser] is unsafe
    I didn't save that instance but the one at the top of the page now does the same....phishing site

    http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/myquiz2win.co.uk

    Highly undesirable, for a website of good repute such as Science 2.0!

    Note: this happens on any advert in the page header, but not those in the right hand side panel, if that helps any...?

    Aitch
    I do not want to see this ad, ever again. I want them and their church banned and sued out of existence,
    I want to see their leaders bank accounts sucked dry, the leaders themselves should fill the prisons.
    If google has any ethics towards reasonable thinking, should ban their accounts for good.
    I hate them, they are outright scammers, no matter what they pay for that ad box, they should be banned for good.
    google would be still happy without them, the company would have enough milking cows without helping these scammers

    Hank
    We don't carry any Google adsense at all. Problem solved.
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