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    Multiverse: A Religion ?
    By Tommaso Dorigo | September 10th 2012 02:14 AM | 35 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    Last Saturday night Gian Francesco Giudice and I discussed the discovery of the Higgs boson and its aftermath in front of a wide audience gathered in the Aula Magna of Mantova University.

    The event was #173 in the wide program of the town's literature festival, a week of seminars, interviews, performances by authors of books, journalists, and intellectuals in a broader sense.


    Directed by the organizer of the event Matteo Polettini, who is also a physicist although he specialized in statistical mechanics, Gian Francesco and I started off by laying out the ideas of why there had to be a particle, a manifestation of the fabric of space -the higgs field, and what were the tools and the methods by means of which that particle was eventually found at the LHC last July.



    That part of our speech was quite standard, and I would even say "boring" at least to me, being a tale I have told several times already now. But there followed a more interesting discussion when Gian Francesco introduced the ideas of a multiverse, the possibility that our universe is just one bubble in an infinite foam, untestable from within and with laws of physics that vary randomly from one bubble to the next.

    Having heard Giudice's open-air lesson a few hours earlier, when in front of a blackboard set up in Piazza Mantegna he had explained very beautifully the concept of symmetry in physics and the amazing concept that one can determine all the properties of a physical system by just specifying the system's symmetry transformations (he made the extremely simple example of a mysterious object in a pocket, which looks exactly the same from any direction you look at it: enough to know it's a perfect sphere), I was -or at least I looked- a bit surprised to hear him support the idea of a untestable world, one where we need to e.g. relinquish our hope to one day be able to explain away the observed value of the free parameters of subatomic physics. So when he said "these theories need not be testable" I was quick to interject "...but they are indeed de-testable!".


    The discussion was scheduled to last one hour, but we kept our audience glued to their chairs for almost two, without boring ourselves nor apparently them. Being unfamiliar with discussions of the multiverse in public, it was interesting to me to detect how the idea is fascinating to most laypersons. I believe one reason is the religious aspect of the whole thing.


    Indeed, long ago man invented religion as a way to explain what he could not figure out by logical methods, as well as to accept his own mortality: religion made acceptable the concept of death, as well as give an explanation to other natural phenomena. And man is now inventing the multiverse in what appears to me a new, albeit well disguised, attempt in the same direction. One as reassuring and sweet as the idea of an almighty entity: because by throwing one's hands up with the idea of a landscape of universes with any possible combination of parameter values one relieves the pressure of feeling powerless, as of yet, in the task of understanding the new layer of mysteries that fundamental science has come to face.


    I think one additional appeal of the idea of a continuous birth of universes of all kinds is the built-in feature of an eternal comeback of the same initial conditions, or infinitely similar ones. We might be immortal after all, but not in the sense that Tipler figured out in his entertaining but crazy book "The Physics of Immortality" - a host of intelligent computers allowing the best of us to be reborn as emulations short before the big crunch. Rather, if we accept that the universe is a multiverse unlimited in time, with bubbles continuously regenerated, we must conclude that we are bound to live again not one, but an infinite number of times. Hopefully still with a choice of what to do with our lives.

    I do not necessarily think that the idea of a untestable physical reality cannot be right but, as I said yesterday at the end of our conference, I find the idea both highly intriguing and utterly depressing. For a physicist, that idea corresponds to admitting to final defeat. Unless there is a backdoor through which we can actually test the existence of these other bubbles around us, if we fail to find a credible alternative capable of providing us with new leads, physics is bound to turn back again into philosophy: it will all boil down to an  overinflated hope of understanding Nature (yes, the bitch, not the magazine), initiated by the greek philosophers and propelled with Galileo and Newton's intuitions, eventually shrinking down into a new religion.

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    The popular appeal of the multiverse may be more metaphysical, or even science-fictional, than "religious". It's the idea of infinity, other worlds, other universes, strange possibilities and scenarios. And it's easier to understand than the machinery of the standard model.

    Lex Anderson
    The popular appeal of the multiverse may be more metaphysical, or even science-fictional, than "religious". 
    Indeed another factor could be the ambiguity of the language used. Particularly, "universe" is an inherently ill-defined and emotive term that scientists and laypersons alike take naturally to mean our universe -- the totality of everything we have so far experienced and may yet experience. Then, when the terms "multiverse" or "metaverse" are used, there is not only confusion but an emotional response: You mean to say that there's more than totality? So what is the multiverse inside of, then? Is there an infinite regression of multi-meta...turtle-verses? Clearly this kind of reasoning not only belies the empirical nature of science but opens serious scientific efforts up to ridicule. Perhaps the most unfortunate choice of terms yet is that of "many worlds", where a world to most can only mean the kind of concrete object that we all have intimate experience of (and preconceptions about). 

    To me the argument that these analogies might be useful in a didactic setting is rather dubious. By contrast, an example of terminology that is inherently useful in any setting is that of "virtual particles" in QED. In the general sense the explanation that such particles are distinct from the domain of "regular" particles is largely unnecessary. By the very choice of two simple words the subject conveys a figurative notion that is neither emotive nor prone to received wisdom: Virtual particles are a different kind of particle, that may not necessarily be "actual" particles. Then, when it is learned that such particles can pop into existence from nowhere, or, say, travel all possible pathways through the universe at infinite speeds requires less explanation than if we used the term "particle" or worse "atom", for instance. 

    The author has coined the word "de-testable" that more than adequately describes my attitude to any kind of science that excludes itself from the onus of measureability. However, the distinction between pseudoscience and "science with rather unfortunate terminology", must be noted. Such as those of MW, where the efforts are similar in principle to the likes of renormalization in QED: To achieve greater degrees of measurability through the "virtualization" of what was once considered to be a concrete notion. For example, QM with decoherence is a sort of virtualization of possible past and future light cones in SR that might be a necessary step toward unification. Maybe it is time for other disciplines to learn from the "PR savvy" folks in QED and particle physics and adopt a less ambiguous nomenclature, so that these serious efforts are not so easily lumped into the same bucket as the de-testable ones.
    Quentin Rowe
    Rather, if we accept that the universe is a multiverse unlimited in time, with bubbles continuously regenerated, we must conclude that we are bound to live again not one, but an infinite number of times. Hopefully still with a choice of what to do with our lives.

    You quickly catch on to the implications - you're a natural at this! ;-)

    Of course, you don't need the multiverse idea to figure out your above statement is to a degree true. How many humans have lived on this earth? - that is how many differentiated lives you have had so far, but only if you limit it to a linear time perspective. A multiverse cares not of imposed linear orders. I'm NOT talking reincarnation, but simply the local reference frame of you and every individual as an observer.

    This kind of thinking leads quite naturally and logically to a multiverse point of view. It would not be surprising therefore to find that the quantum world, when looked at with fresh eyes, leads us in the same direction.

    I'm not so sure that the multiverse idea should prevent us from understanding fundamental constants and mechanisms. Sure, they may be different for every 'verse', but it doesn't automatically follow that they are unsolvable.

    If science is heading in a direction that finally incorporates consciousness into it's sphere of awareness, then this is a good trend indeed. When we leave consciousness out of the equation, then your more comfortable view becomes the more natural position.

    Hello Tommaso

    Surely you misrepresent the motivation behind the multiverse idea. The motivation is to explain why the universe we see is so astonishingly fine-tuned to allow life (e.g. the resonance that allows Carbon synthesis from Helium). I can only think of one other explanation, but if it's true I suspect I'm going to Hell anyway, so I don't want to believe that one.

    btw your posts are one of the joys of my life - thank you!

    vongehr
    Quite misleading title. Multiverses must be accepted by the non-religious. The religious refuse these superior concepts, also those into naive scientism [like those demanding Popper-falsification in the fundamental science underlying all worlds (rather than empirical data merely telling us in what universe we happen to measure)].
    if we accept that the universe is a multiverse unlimited in time, with bubbles continuously regenerated, we must conclude that we are bound to live again not one, but an infinite number of times.
    No, it simply means that our concept of time is not this naively applicable. You need to add a certain modal realism (or better anti-realism) in order to avoid counting indistinguishable entities (like universes being "really out there now" or identical histories).
    Maybe I took this out of context, but Sascha said "The religious refuse these superior concepts, also those into naive scientism".... That is a rather a left-field comment. I have to admit that Tipler (and his book) may be a little crazy, but
    I think John Polkinghorne is pretty squared-away. He seems to handle science and his religion fairly well. Sounds to me like someone has an ego problem.

    http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid271557389?bctid=715960699

    Can you discuss the differences among various types of Multiverse ?

    1 - Multiverse as "... our universe is just one bubble in an infinite foam, untestable from within and with laws of physics that vary randomly from one bubble to the next ...", which is discussed in the blog entry.

    2 - Multiverse as our universe being born in the Big Bang as a child of a preceding universe and possible parent of future universes due to Big Bang quantum fluctuations, with all universes being in a sort of chain or tree and all having the same laws of physics understandable in terms of a unique TOE.

    3 - Multiverse as the Many-Worlds of Everett Quantum Theory
    all of which have the same laws of physics.

    Tony

    blue-green

    Virtual Alternatives. Virtual pathways. Potentialities. There presence IS confirmed experimentally, albeit indirectly.

    When two or more theoretical approaches generate the same data, be it a sum over Feynmann diagrams … or… a sum of “pathways” … then the lesson is the age old one to not take the theoretical objects too literally. If you have just one approach, well, different ones will occur, sooner or later.

    One of the most intriguing signs that the theoretical objects are indeed operational and not just unicorns is in the way counterfactuals have to be recognized. Each and every way a data point can be formed is making itself felt in the data, even if it resides in a mysterious cloud of virtual possibilities. Even if it could have been manifest, and yet isn't, its potential presence is made known through its interference. This awareness of what could have happened yet didn't is imprecisely called an interaction-free measurement. Its imprecise wording because no interaction can be dialed down to zero or even less than a Planck's irreducible bit of action. We've known that rather well since Einstein solved the photo-electric effect and Bohr came up with his orbits to "explain" quantum jumping (centennial anniversary will be next year).

    The term you want is VAST … Virtual Alternatives Subject to Testing.

    Hi!

    "Virtual Alternatives. Virtual pathways. Potentialities. There presence IS confirmed experimentally, albeit indirectly."

    Can you quote a reference for some of these confirmations?

    "Each and every way a data point can be formed is making itself felt in the data, even if it resides in a mysterious cloud of virtual possibilities. Even if it could have been manifest, and yet isn't, its potential presence is made known through its interference."

    What!?!?

    Cheers,
    Pietro

    blue-green

    This is very old news … see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_electrodynamics#History

    I do not find wiccapædia to be a particularly instructive place. If you can fully understand one of its articles on mathematical physics, you probably are already a professional … and can critique it.

    If you want VAST in my own words … you already got it. I hope it catches on, not for my sake, but because the many, meta and uni words being used today are not helpful. The Elitzur-Vaidman bomb experiment concerning counterfactuals is more recent, yet it is over 21 now and a full fledged adult.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elitzur%E2%80%93Vaidman_bomb_tester

    Paul Kwiat published about “Interaction-Free Measurements.” I have talked to him one-on-one and taken a few photos in his lab with him present. I don't think he thought much of me. He has moved on into the minutia of solid state physics. Maybe he'll invent transparent aluminum.

    Here is a link to a hilarious movie by his department (please no revolting in the streets):

    http://research.physics.illinois.edu/QI/Photonics/kwiatmovie.html

    Back when I was first reading this material, I could not get out of my head a mangled memory of a tune that was from Disney's version of Alice in Wonderland.

    If it were, it could be
    If it was, it would be
    But as it isn't, it's quaint
    'Cause as it is, it ain't

    The last line is about not mistaking images for reality, something
    you'd think that Muslims would understand … being that they don't
    even use or believe in direct images … and yet … current news indicates
    that the seduction and deceit of an anonymous film can generate havoc
    with impressionable radicals.

    Confusing a map for the world smites fundamentalists of all stripes.
    An arsonist set fire in lower level offices (the “sacristry”) of the Sagrada Familia in 2011.

    The multiverse is nice to talk about. But I still think the important follow-on to the Higgs discovery is fusion confinement, and therefore a potential unlimited source of energy for humans. Of course, this is pure conjecture. But just as the photoelectric effect led to the photon, which led to quantum theory, which led to led's (pun intended), lasers, and effectively semiconductor electronics,...the HIggs particle, assuming you can harness it's mass properties, could lead to gravity fields strong enough to contain fusion reactions, ie like the sun. But maybe not. I sure would like to see oil and gas go away.

    Hi Tommaso,

    thanks again for being our guest at Festivaletteratura.

    I don't know much about multiverses. I only have one philosophical remark on Gian Francesco Giudice's words. He said that physicists look for "truth": what if the "true" world is a multiverse after all?. I dispute the idea that physics is about truth (I also don't believe there's such thing as "truth", but this is another story). I think physics is about observation, that is about the relationship between an observer and the world. We should not talk about how the world is, but how it is measured. Although, differently from, say, psychology, physics makes statements that in the end are independent of the observer. Not suprisingly, Quantum Mechanics and Special Relativity have measurements in their very core.

    I have long thought about this regarding the fundations of Stat Mech. As I told you, I also have a paper in preparation in this spirit.

    dorigo
    Thank you for inviting me, Matteo. It was quite pleasant and interesting, and I look forward to coming next year if I have a chance. In the meantime, as I told you I might be able to publish something, which would make my presence there even more fruitful.

    Cheers,
    T.
    Amir D. Aczel
    From my point of view, there are serious issues of cardinality here (you may have seen my televised discussion with Brian Greene about the multiverse--me taking the "contra" side--now on YouTube). Take even ONE of the many necessary (sets of) parameters: the charges of the up and down quarks and the charge of the electron. To use a multiverse to explain how the charge of the "up" quark is EXACTLY two thirds (mathematically: 0.6666666666...FOREVER) on a scale in which the charge of the electron is -1, and the down quark has -1/3 on this scale--which is necessary for matter to exist--requires that there are infinitely many (sterile) universes "very close" to ours in parameter space: e.g., one where the electron charge is the same but the "up" quark has charge 0.6666666666666666666666666667--matter does not form in this universe! If you think about it--about WHY people have invented the multiverse so that they get away from the problem of why parameter values are the extremely-fine-tuned way they are, you require a set of universes (we are talking probability and measure spaces here) whose cardinality is at least that of the continuum. First: THIS IS AN EXTREMELY UN-PARSIMONIOUS MODEL!--it would fail ANY "Einstein test" of elegance! and there are many other problems: where are all these "worlds" stacked?--worlds whose sole purpose is for you to be able to say: "Parameter values? Oh, thems are just the way they are because I am at this point in the parameter space and not in another--but they are all here." You don't have to be "religious" to see that a statement like: "God made these parameters the way they are so that I can be alive" is not NECESSARILY a more wrong--and certainly no less parsimonious--answer than: "Well, I am just in a multiverse and I am in this particular universe because I couldn't be in any of the others!" (the old, hateful "Anthropic principle," which lives and thrives on "multiverses"....) Obviously, I've only scratched the surface here: The multiverse idea is chock full of holes. Although, I do believe that there are other universes ("endless inflation" almost requires them)--I just don't believe in exploiting them so simplistically to "solve" the persistent fine-tuning problem! This is a cop-out, not science, inelegant, and unsavory.  
    Amir D. Aczel
    dorigo
    Hi Amir,

    I think your particular example with electron and quark charges is not a good one. I believe that one cannot hypothesize universes with just about *any* physical law. Things must be logically consistent, and the cancellation of anomalies in quantum mechanics forces the sum of charges of members of one quark and lepton family to be exactly zero.

    Of course you could then reply that there is no need to hypothesize the existence of quarks and leptons or electrical charge. But we'd be diverging, I hope you'll concur...

    Cheers,
    T.
    Halliday
    Tommaso:

    I, too, would be quite interested to hear more on this subject.

    Of course, when one included both particles and their anti-particles one will, absolutely, get "the sum of charges of members of one quark and lepton family to be exactly zero."

    The fact is that even U(1)×SU(2)×SU(3) leaves two arbitrary parameters for the "charges of members of one quark and lepton family" (without even considering scale changes).  So, even if there is something that "forces the sum of charges of members of one quark and lepton family [not counting anti-particles] to be exactly zero", there still remains an overall free (continuous, or, at least, rational) parameter for the electrical charges.

    People often call upon U(1) to fix the electrical charge scale, but the truth is that it cannot, without the presence of at least one magnetic monopole within any single "universe".  However, without determining the magnetic "charge" of such a magnetic monopole, the best one can hypothesize (though only with the assumption that such a magnetic monopole actually exists) is that the ratio of the charges are rational numbers (maybe rational numbers that are ratios of small integers).

    Historically, when we have seen systems with higher symmetries than can be explained by the then known physics (so called "accidental" symmetries, such as the symmetries we see in the "charges of members of one quark and lepton family"), we have ultimately found higher symmetries that do, indeed, determine such "accidental" symmetries.

    Rather than the "de-testable"* approach, we should be striving to determine what these additional symmetries are.

    David

    *  I truly like this characterization you have coined.  ;)

    blue-green

    Hello David. I hope this isn't stepping side-ways. Solving why only half-integer spin and full integer spins are demanded by symmetry principles is one way to remove from consideration “worlds” that have spin 1/5 or spin 1.49999. Is the problem as to why spin is only in half-integer or full integer increments solved? There can't be more than two forms of quantum statistics (Fermi-Dirac or Bose-Einstein). Right? Is quantized spin fully understood and derived from symmetry?

    Electrical charge requires more difficult and less settled mathematics. And beyond that are the far more difficult to nail down symmetry and symmetry-breaking conditions for the mass values, although getting a grasp of the Higgs zero-spin boson is a big help.

    If particle physicists get their hands on the only magnetic monopole in the solar system, is it Armageddon II. Let's ask Helen!

    Halliday
    "blue-green" (Scott):

    While the question of spin is, perhaps, a bit of a step "side-ways", I think it well worth addressing, since it illustrates some significant differences between the supposed "charge quantization" that is all too often presumed to be a consequence of the U(1) symmetry of the electromagnetic field, vs. the spin quantization that is a fundamental feature of the representations of SO(3) (highly related to SU(2), highly related to A1).

    There are a continuum of representations of the abelian (Lie) group U(1).  Choose any real number as a constant, use it as a scale in the parameterization of U(1), et voila.  Each new scaling is a new (isomorphic) representation of U(1).  (There are other representations, but they all reduce to combinations of irreducible representations like unto what I have mentioned.  In fact, this is a consequence of the fact that the group is abelian.)

    On the other hand, SO(3) (highly related to SU(2), highly related to A1), as the simplest non-alelian Lie group (strictly speaking, this is in terms of A1), has many more non-trivial irreducible representations.  Each such irreducible representation can be characterized by a single positive integer.  So, there is no such continuum of representations.

    The only remaining question is what "units" this positive integer is to have.

    Since the {2} representation is the adjoint representation, and has all the same "generators" as the group itself, complete with three possible "(eigen-)states", we generally identify this with spin 1.  So, the smallest, non-trivial irreducible representation, given as {1}, having only two possible "(eigen-)states", becomes identified with spin 1/2.  ({1}, {2}, {3}, ... is identified with spin 1/2, 1, 3/2, ...)

    In a sense, calling one spin 1, or the other spin 1/2, is convention.  However, all the characteristics such as Fermi-Dirac vs. Bose-Einstein statistics all stem directly from these irreducible representations, whether one talks about "half integer spin" vs. "integer spin", or whether one talks about "odd" vs. "even" irreducible representations.

    Furthermore, as the group name of SO(3) should bring to mind, this all depends upon there being three dimensions of space for such to dwell.  One actually finds that there are further possibilities when one has but two dimensions of space (in which case, this group no longer strictly applies).

    David

    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    If particle physicists get their hands on the only magnetic monopole in the solar system, is it Armageddon II. Let's ask Helen! 
    Why ask me blue-green? Believe it or not this is the first time that I have ever typed the word Armageddon :)

    Make love not war
    Amir D. Aczel
    Thanks, Tommaso:
    Can you mention a reference to exactly how QM forces the sums of charges to zero? It seems to me that this should solve part of the "fine-tuning" problem. But even with such a reference, I don't think you can explain the fine-structure constant, the QCD coupling constant, the weak force coupling constant, why gravity is 40 orders of mag weaker than EM, the ratio of the cosmological constant to gravity's constant, and so on... The "multiverse" was invented (or extended) in order to create a "space" in which all values (to my mind, on a continuum) of these constants actually live, so that anthropic principles could be used for an "explanation" of the universe. Going back to the quarks, I think that QFT can explain why the sum of the charges of an electron-positron pair is zero; but for quarks, I am eager to see your reference.

    Many thanks!!
    Amir
    Amir D. Aczel
    dorigo
    I certainly cannot explain away the fine structure constant etcetera, or I would be already planning a trip to Stockholm! But anomaly cancellation does force the sum of charges of each fermion family to nullify. The proof is in quantum field theory books, and I am not in my office right now so I cannot give you references. However below is the basic idea, if I recall correctly:

    An anomaly is a loss of symmetry of a classical theory when this is quantized. It comes from quantum effects that give a non-null contribution to the divergence of a conserved current (I assume you know Noether's theorem).

    If gauge currents are anomalous we lose Ward identities, upon which renormalizability is based. So the SM is only renormalizable if the triangular diagrams that couple an axial current to two vector currents cancel their contribution all together. Note that if these diagrams cancel at lowest order, they will do so at every order and the theory remains renormalizable.

    So, we find that there is cancelation of these contributions family by family if the triangle diagrams with one incoming axial current (which brings in a I_3,A factor) and the two vector currents (which have two factors proportional to the fermion charges Q) overall cancel.
    We need to have in other words: Σ [I_3,A * Q^2] = 0. With an electron, three up, and three down quarks, we find -1/2 * (-1)^2 + 3*[1/2*(2/3)^2 -1/2*(-1/3)^2] = 0.

    Note that if the up and down charges were f and 1-f, with f different from 2/3, the equality would be lost !

    Actually there is an even funnier circumstances concerning this equation. If we take it but generalize it by substituting N_c to the number "3" multiplying the square bracket above, we can couple that equation with the condition that Q_u - Q_d = 1 which depends on the group structure of SU(2)xU(1), and which is independent on N_c. If we do that we find that

    N_c = 1/(1+2Q_d)

    which implies that if we want baryons with integer charge and three quarks, we are forced to choose an universe with quarks having fractional charge, and three colours!
    If we chose instead N_c=1, we would get by force Q_d=0, Q_u=1, and there is no strong force with anti-screening, no antisymmetry of the colour part of the wavefunction. If on the other hand N_c=2, we'd get Q_d=-1/2, Q_u=1/2 and we do not have 3-quark states.

    Cheers,
    T.


    Amir D. Aczel
    Uncountably many thanks, Tommaso!:)
    Amir D. Aczel
    Halliday
    Yes, thanks Tommaso.  This is helpful (and I'll try to look up the details, when I can [even though it apparently depends upon the constraints of what we now know of "renormalizability" {something that, while important for present computability, may or may not have much to due with fundamentals}]).

    However, this only includes one of the two free charge parameters I referred to, above.  When one includes both free parameters, one still finds a free, continuous parameter is left (after all, the resulting constraint is simply linear).

    David

    Amir D. Aczel
    David:
    I tell my daughter again and again that, for physics (and a lot else), linear algebra is even more important than the calculus (I'd done the same calculation in my mind).
    ;)

    Amir D. Aczel
    Amir D. Aczel
    And it's all water under the bridge, as it were: Murray Gell-Mann CHOOSES a particular representation for SU(3)--my old "Buddha" comes back through "The Eightfold Way"--and when more particles are discovered, a different representation comes into being. Arguing "conservation laws" is a slippery slope. Need I mention Madame Wu (and parity nonconservation)? Or Georgi-Glashow's SU(5), a far more palatable group to a purist than SU...3...2...U(1) PRODUCT. But--we need proton decay! Schucks! And finally, the SM is so full of "free parameters"--its obscene. I would still keep my nose out of the multiverse and the anthropic principle. I guess I admire elegance more than anything.
    Amir D. Aczel
    Hfarmer
    Sadly, what you say about physics reducing itself to a form a philosophy or even a religion with time is probably inevitable.  
    Of all the things mankind has created religions have proven to be the most enduring.  Some of the most basic and spiritual religious beliefs, in an afterlife, have been around since before this last glacial maximum.   Complex cosmologies and astronomies of long dead sages, metallurgy, and medicine have all at some point became more a matter of religious beliefs than technical facts.  (i.e. In Sub Saharan Africa people forged iron and steel but spoke of the process as one of giving the blade or tool a soul or spirit.)  

    Physics probably won't be any different and it will not take ideas like the multiverse to do it.  Ask the average person to explain how a light bulb works. Why running electricity through a bulb should make it light up.  Most people have no idea. It might as well be magic to them.  In a future time, say a dark age where no new knowledge is uncovered, knowing how a light bulb or a computer works will make one a priest not a scientist. 

    Good article very interesting read. 
    Science advances as much by mistakes as by plans.
    blue-green

    A joke explained is Helen no longer the same joke. It has been perturbed. That's quantum's lesson in a nutshell for you. An odd thing about comedy versus music is that once a joke gets it laugh, it cannot be played back as effectively. As with the experimentalists in science, the standup comic has to continually come forth with hits, whereas the public demands that musicians keep playing their greatest hits. It is a bit that way also with great architecture. Each masterpiece can only be done once.

    Seriously, though, when experiments at CERN are on an architectural scale that can't be repeated elsewhere, and when the underlying theory is at a post-doc level, we are back to the early religion days when only the priests had access and knew what was going on. To be fair, they do try to publish their findings … and some of it is testable. Books, education and arXiv are open to all,and yet the levels, and niches are as convoluted as any modern cathedral. (Photos by yours truly).






    There probably is no desktop way to re-create the energy requirements of a super-collider, although, solid state devices can create interesting analogues and even change the number of apparent dimensions.

    A commentator above asks for a terrestrial fusion experiment in which the gravitational control and containment of the sun is replicated in a building. That sounds as impossible to me as replicating CERN's results at a community college or on a lab bench. And yet, what if the gravity could be dialed up to the intensity within the sun? That would be Armageddon III.

    The magnetic monopole …. I suppose by now Helen has looked it up and knows it comes from Dr. Drac … (with the imaginary i removed from to reveal his true colour).

    Among all of the fine places Tommaso visits, he may not recognize the door panel panel in the photo, and yet, I'm sure he and Amir know the elegant place it leads to inside. The lower photo is the student quarters for learning the arts. With religion one is welcomed to keep telling and chanting the old verses. With science, quite the opposite is demanded.

    And a laser, and transistors from silicon sounded pretty crazy in 1915. You have no vision. You are still in the tube era.

    dorigo
    Nice photos. Where is the place ? I do not recall having seen it.
    Cheers,
    T.
    blue-green

    Surely, Amir can name the location. Here are a few more angles with variations of elegance. 








    dorigo
    Well okay, the Sagrada Familia. The last one gave it away, but I had already guessed it from the ladder.

    Cheers,
    T.
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    A joke explained is Helen no longer the same joke. It has been perturbed. That's quantum's lesson in a nutshell for you. An odd thing about comedy versus music is that once a joke gets it laugh, it cannot be played back as effectively. 
    Oh well, I'm glad you had a good laugh at my expense blue-green, even though as far as I am aware I have never written anything about Armageddon. I have been trying to find a sketch by Monty Python's that was on one of their LP's back in the 70's, which I think was called 'Eric the flying cat' (no not the flying sheep sketch) in which a meowing cat is heard to be being swung around by its tail before flying some distance through the air and then unceremoniously crashing to the ground. It made us all laugh every time we heard it, I wanted to show you that some jokes, can be repeatedly played back effectively and remain very funny to me but maybe not to cats!
    Make love not war
    Amir D. Aczel
    Hi Blue-Green, Sorry I came to this so late!! I would have recognized the third and the fifth of your photos as Gaudi (having been to Barcelona a few times--and my wife is a great admirer of his architecture) but I admit I would have missed Sagrada Familia! Very cool riddle! Thanks!! Amir
    Amir D. Aczel
    Ha great article. How ironic that many scientist, are doing this, esposing a belief with no scientific proof! When that is exaclty what they have been looking down their noses at religous folks for years. To funny!

    I APPRECIATE TO PSYCHOLOGY in relation to the motivations of multiverse proponents who have not a shred of proof. But to apply what is happening in the minds of a small of group of nerds who spent lunchtime with apple sauce in their hair, playing dungeons and dragons, to the belief in a Creator by the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE through all of human history is quite a myopic and arrogant stretch.

    The notion that there is a Creator has been on the top of the mountain for all of human history because it's Obvious in all of 3 seconds. Its not some mass wish to fill a gap of things they dont understand. That is the most retarded peace of psychology ever concocted and comes from the minds of people who are simply not normal. They dont think like the overwhelming majority of human beings so they cant, for the life of them, comprehend why a Creator is so blatantly obvious.

    Just the fact that 5 billion people still believe that in the modern era shows the absurdity of that infantile conclusion. Now, the very thing people clearly see has been shown by science to be true. The Universe is impossible. There is a zero probability this all just clumped together by chance. We all say...dur. We knew there was a beginning when even Einstein denied the obvious illogical proposal of a static reality. We knew it when it was discovered that DNA holds the precise spatial location of the 4 chamber heart and its precise electrical and pressure system. You have to NOT want it to be true now.

    They must feel your doomed if thet're wrong now so they concoct the most absurd theory of alltime by claiming there is a magic infinite universe maker that can cook up any universe, with only one purpose..to avoid admitting the world is designed.
    Science has officially embarrassed itself beyond repair and has become the OJ Simpson jury.