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    Platonic Ignorance
    By Massimo Pigliucci | July 5th 2012 11:00 AM | 23 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    Plato famously maintained that knowledge is “justified true belief,” meaning that to claim the status of knowledge our beliefs (say, that the earth goes around the sun, rather than the other way around) have to be both true (to the extent this can actually be ascertained) and justified (i.e., we ought to be able to explain to others why we hold such beliefs, otherwise we are simply repeating the — possibly true — beliefs of someone else).*

    It is the “justified” part that is humbling, since a moment’s reflection will show that a large number of things we think we know we actually cannot justify, which means that we are simply trusting someone else’s authority on the matter. (Which is okay, as long as we realize and acknowledge that to be the case.)

    I was recently intrigued, however, not by Plato’s well known treatment of knowledge, but by his far less discussed views on the opposite of knowledge: ignorance. The occasion for these reflections was a talk by Katja Maria Vogt of Columbia University, delivered at CUNY’s Graduate Center, where I work. Vogt began by recalling the ancient skeptics’ attitude toward ignorance, as a “conscious positive stand,” meaning that skepticism is founded on one’s realization of his own ignorance. In this sense, of course, Socrates’ contention that he knew nothing becomes neither a self-contradiction (isn’t he saying that he knows that he knows nothing, thereby acknowledging that he knows something?), nor false modesty. Socrates was simply saying that he was aware of having no expertise while at the same time devoting his life to the quest for knowledge.

    Vogt was particularly interested in Plato’s concept of “transferred ignorance,” which the ancient philosopher singled out as morally problematic. Transferred ignorance is the case when someone imparts “knowledge” that he is not aware is in fact wrong. Let us say, for instance, that I tell you that vaccines cause autism, and I do so on the basis of my (alleged) knowledge of biology and other pertinent matters, while, in fact, I am no medical researcher and have only vague notions of how vaccines actually work (i.e., imagine my name is Jenny McCarthy).

    The problem, for Plato, is that in a sense I would be thinking of myself as smarter than I actually am, which of course carries a feeling of power over others. I wouldn’t simply be mistaken in my beliefs, I would be mistaken in my confidence in those beliefs. It is this willful ignorance (after all, I did not make a serious attempt to learn about biology or medical research) that carries moral implications.

    So for Vogt the ancient Greeks distinguished between two types of ignorance: the self-aware, Socratic one (which is actually good) and the self-oblivious one of the overconfident person (which is bad). Need I point out that far too little of the former and too much of the latter permeate current political and social discourse? I’m sure a historian could easily come up with a plethora of examples of bad ignorance throughout human history, all the way back to the beginning of recorded time, but it does strike me that the increasingly fact-free public discourse on issues varying from economic policies to scientific research has brought Platonic transferred ignorance to never before achieved peaks (or, rather, valleys).

    And I suspect that this is precisely because of the lack of appreciation of the moral dimension of transferred or willful ignorance. When politicians or commentators make up “facts”. or disregard actual facts to serve their own ideological agendas. they sometimes seem genuinely convinced that they are doing something good, at the very least for their constituents, and possibly for humanity at large. But how can it be good — in the moral sense — to make false knowledge one’s own, and even to actively spread it to others?

    One obvious objection here is that many of the people I am referring to simply do not realize that they are ignorant. But that is precisely Plato’s point. When the Delphi’s Oracle admonished people to “Know Thyself” it presumably meant to know your own limits, as Socrates did. And I’m pretty sure that Jenny McCarthy, to go back to my previous example, knows perfectly well that she is not a medical researcher or a biologist. She just doesn’t care because she is under the delusion. reinforced by her inability to know herself. that her feelings about what happened to her son somehow trump actual scientific evidence about the (lack of) connection between vaccines and autism.

    Perhaps, then, climate scientists, evolutionary biologists, pro-vaccine activists, and so forth, might consider adding a further argument to their arsenal: it’s not just that they are (as far as we can tell) factually right, it’s that their opponents are taking a morally reprehensible stance when they make themselves vehicles for transferring ignorance. After all, as Plato put it, “Ignorance [is] the root and stem of all evil.”

    Well, maybe not all, but certainly quite a bit of it.

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    * I am aware of Edmund L. Gettier’s famous critique of the Platonic definition of knowledge, but I will ignore it for the purposes of this discussion. I think there are good counter-objections that have been raised against Gettier’s critique, though I also consider the whole debate one more example of progress in Philosophy!

    Cross-posted from Rationally Speaking

    Comments

    Nice article. However, how do we know it's not the climate scientists, evolutionary biologists, pro-vaccine activists who are transferring ignorance? Isn't this why healthy debate on all these topics is important?

    Gerhard Adam
    So, your idea of "healthy debate" involves anyone with an opinion?  So we don't need factual information or anything that can be confirmed.  We simply need people that have an idea, regardless of how outlandish or fringe it may be.

    Congratulations.  You've effectively ensured that nothing is knowable and that all opinions are considered equal.   Welcome back to the stone age.
    I coined the phrase Deceived Wisdom for the title of my forthcoming book, that's a synonym for Platonic Ignorance

    Hank
    Hey David, that looks like a fun book!  Though I am disappointed about the wine thing - I even have a handy on-the-fly oxygenator that makes my friends ooh and ahhh.  Maybe I will ignore that section.
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    I have come to terms with my knowledge never being complete. But alas I find my self struggling with how to act. I am not a religious person I am agnostic. But I find these words remarkable. In the story of Jesus as the roman soldiers nailed him to the stake. He said forgive them father for they no not what they do. So I have a question that I found useful. Maybe you can answer it for me. What is the problem with willful ignorance? What are the affects of this ignorance. I think the answer is pain or death. I can't think why I would care unless it caused me harm or other people pain or death. Im not saying Jesus was real. But use the story and put your self in it. What allowed him to not be angry with them. It seems to be the thought of never truly dying. Which leaves me to the conclusion. That maybe humans could build a moral code if we could attain immortality. It seems what mankind needs is a common enemy to unite them. Why not death the one enemy we all seem to have. Could we then build a moral code based on love and altruism.

    Gerhard Adam
    That maybe humans could build a moral code if we could attain immortality. It seems what mankind needs is a common enemy to unite them. Why not death the one enemy we all seem to have. Could we then build a moral code based on love and altruism.
    It seems to be somewhat optimistic, to suggest building a moral code on something that is most likely impossible to achieve.  If you're suggesting that humanity will be improved once it achieves immortality, I might suggest not holding your breath.

    However, on a more serious note, consider that the "love and altruism" you're expecting would have to occur first, otherwise the latter [immortality] becomes unachievable.
    I find these words interesting and the implacation they could hold. I believe it was budah who said desire was the root of all suffering. What if we changed the parameters. What if you where never thought or shown anything that died. Just for a thought experience pretend that you never could die. I'm not asking is it possible I'm just saying take the idea of death and erase it from your mind. Build on that and see if you come to the same conclusion I did. Try and find a motivation for your actions.

    Gerhard Adam
    The problem is that you're taking a rather round-about way of achieving your objective.  If the only purpose is to engage in a thought experiment, then why bother with death?  Why not simply think in terms of love and altruism to begin with?  It seems an unnecessary detour if the objective requires a change in the modes of thinking anyway.
    Ok let me try something else. Let's say that in the near future science genetialy alters us so we get all of our energy from the sun. We no longer need to eat to survive. But we still had mouths and food tasted good. How would our view of food and the motivation for eating it change. What if some of the population was not altered yet would you give up the pleasure of eating to help those that still needed to eat to survive. Would you give up your pleasure and right to eat to help someone else.

    Gerhard Adam
    You require miracles and then you ask questions about how people's attitudes might change.  I don't see this as leading to anything relevant.
    What if some of the population was not altered yet would you give up the pleasure of eating to help those that still needed to eat to survive.
    The problem with this question is that it is asked as if the problem with people eating were a resource shortage.  It further asks it as if each individual has unconstrained access to every other individual, such that every interaction is truly an individual choice.  None of this is true nor applicable.

    For example, in today's world, starvation occurs because of political considerations and it doesn't matter one bit how much people wish to help, nor how much food is made available.  So, why ask the questions you're asking?

    Let me state that any condition that requires a fundamental change in human nature will not happen and will not work.  No exceptions. 
    Yes love and altruism would be needed first but it would not be complete till immortality. We would need to realize that the only way for mankind to live even with immortality would be with altruism. Would that mean there would be no more pain. No because our knowledge will never be complete. But we will view pain different. It will be a lack of pleasure. It will be views as the pain giving birth to your own child.

    Gerhard Adam
    Sorry, but your ideas make no sense.  An altruistic society is on a one-way path to suicide.  You seem to make all kinds of assertions about what will be different without explaining why it should be different and what makes you think you'd achieve any of the things you're claiming.

    Altruism and love would have to be complete before immortality were possible, otherwise it can't be achieved.  That's the paradox.  If it isn't, then what makes you think that people are going to willingly make such technology available to everyone?  More importantly, what makes immortality desirable versus a curse?  Without "love and altruism" [assuming we even know what that's supposed to mean], we would despise our existence.
    So let's take the marine who jumps on a grenade to save his friends. He's doing this with the thought of him still living as a symbol in society. Yes we could go on living through symbols of society. But what if society changes those ideas. What if mankind becomes extinct. Then there was no value to those actions. Right back at nihilism.

    Gerhard Adam
    What value are you seeking?  What value do you think is being proposed?  It seems that you're making claims about mankind and value that you have no basis for making and presenting changes that you have no basis for asserting.

    "What if ..." is not a meaningful argument.
    Your saying it's hopeless mankind will never change. Unless some god decides to pop up and save us. I'm saying that mankind can build a moral code with out kants argument for an immortal soul. Is it possible I don't know. But it could be an objectifiable construct. One we could measure.

    Gerhard Adam
    Not possible.  Not now.  Not ever.  One does not "construct" human behavior.
    We could take Sam Harris moral landscape and apply it. Let's just say it's not possible right now. What if mankind does somehow survive 2000 years. Or a billion. Are we the pinnacle of evolution. We alter evolution with our tools it should be possible to evolve on our own without nature pussing us anymore

    Gerhard Adam
    Are we the pinnacle of evolution.
    That statement makes no sense.
    We alter evolution with our tools it should be possible to evolve on our own without nature pussing us anymore
    Again, this can't be done.  It presupposes that evolution has a purpose or direction and that somehow you can anticipate what that is.  Not possible and it doesn't work that way.  While we can certainly elect to pursue our own interests, we will continue to be affected by our biology and "evolution" will not stop simply because you wish it to.
    Yes I see the ways it could go wrong. But like your article the other day. On beliefs. Think of how our beliefs affect our actions. What would be the motivation for evil.

    Gerhard Adam
    It doesn't need any motivation.  It is sufficient that it exists.
    Yesterday I re-read Tolstoy's Confession. His crisis is brought about by his realization that (1) death is certain and (2) that there is no meaning in his life that death doesn't destroy. In conclusion thus his life is ultimately meaningless.

    He overcomes his crisis by the realization that he must no live for himself, but that he must achieve life for himself and for everyone else, too. The meaning of life, he realizes, can not be grasped with merely intellectual means, but only through his whole being. I don't know which Russian term he uses, but according to Tolstoy something like "feeling" or emotion is relevant when it comes to grasping the meaning of life.

    All this is not too different from Dostoevsky, who like Tolstoy stresses the importance of (1) not living for yourself, but living for others and (2) that feeling - and not the intellect - reveals what is ultimately important about our lives.

    Nevertheless: Dostoevsky treats Altruism-Immortality-God almost as if it were one thing. Without altruism no God or immortality. Without immortality no altruism no God. Without God no altruism or immortality. They're inseparable for Dostoevsky.

    Gerhard Adam
    In conclusion thus his life is ultimately meaningless.
    This is where his fallacy is introduced.  While there is nothing wrong with individuals determining how they wish to live their lives, it is incorrect to presume that life has a meaning and then invent a process by which one rationalizes their behavior.  That's simply a self-fulfilling prophecy based on the assumption that life is supposed to have a meaning.  There is no basis for such an assertion.  Such a position is merely a self-indulgent human perspective.
    He overcomes his crisis by the realization that he must not live for himself, but that he must achieve life for himself and for everyone else, too.
    That makes no sense.  On the one hand the proposed solution involves altruism [which necessitates the ability to sacrifice oneself for others] but then to argue that death destroys meaning [which it clearly doesn't].  The point being that it is by death that the altruistic act is measured.  More importantly, if everyone felt the same way, then their entire basis for claiming that life is meaningful is based on the implicit requirement that they would all utilize death by which to provide the meaning they are seeking.

    It's philosophical nonsense.

    Death doesn't destroy meaning, it's what provides it.  Eliminate death and you eliminate any value life may have had.  After all, what does it mean to "sacrifice" yourself if there's no sacrifice involved?  What does it mean to claim that you would "give your life", if you can't actually give it or you get it back anyway? 

    In fact, if you examine your entire argument, it becomes clear that you are motivated and are seeking a meaning precisely because death exists.  Without it, you'd never ask the question.  Instead of destroying it, death provides the ultimate meaning.
    I use to think these ideas were crazy. But the logic behind it is not nonsense. Or else I could not have come to the similar conclusion as nikolai fedorovich fedorov with out ever hearing any of his ideas.