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    By Sascha Vongehr | May 29th 2012 02:57 AM | 44 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    The fourth FQXi essay contest is underway. There is a lot questionable about FQXi and what it at times supports, but this year’s topic is just so clearly up my alley that I simply cannot resist:


    Which of Our Basic Physical Assumptions Are Wrong?

     

    I know which one, and if you know me, you know that I am all about that one and have a lot to say about it, but also, that I am uniquely idiosyncratic and incomprehensible. Here is the first half of my draft – please criticize it constructively and help me to get the message across. For most of you, this will simply mean to tell me where the text starts to be sounding awkward/idiotic/unintelligible/hopelessly nonsensical, so please do tell me in the comments. Also all other suggestions are welcome (title, structure, figures, …).

     

    STOP! UPDATE: This first part is now revised, so please read the new version and criticize over there. Thank you.

     

    Introduction

    Which basic physical assumption is wrong? Ludwig Wittgenstein could not foresee the profound relevance to modern physics, but he knew what is wrong. Wittgenstein seems arrogant and idiosyncratic beyond comprehension. How could he claim to know so surely what is wrong rather than merely believing to have a promising idea? Why could he not just say clearly how the world really is, if he knew what is wrong? Well, precisely because he knew what is wrong! Once you grasp what is wrong, you realize that you cannot talk about the wrong without being wrong, not inside a terminology that is consistent:


    Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent” L. Wittgenstein [1]


    You cannot be wrong inside of a consistent code. A description can be inconsistent (1), or a description may not fit something outside of it (2), for example if it belongs to a set of descriptions related by duality transformations (similar to modern string theory dualities, conceptual ‘dual’ism), where each single member of the set in some sense cannot cover the whole, much like coordinate patches in general curved space-times. However, if the description is the tautological description of totality, it is self-consistent and there is nothing more outside of it left to describe, except for that which is indescribable, as in “thereof one must be silent”.


    Wittgenstein claimed to have more fully and accurately than ever before covered all that which he did not mention about the unspeakable. In much the same way, this essay deals with a grave error, a basic physical assumption that is wrong, namely a direct realism that is often unintended and implicitly held even if refused on the surface. I declare this essay to be “against direct realism” without mentioning this too much again, because in a truly improved description, the wrong should simply not arise! In consequence, this essay will be very difficult indeed, especially for all those who hold on to direct realism as a sort of common sense dogma.


    Sentences will have Kantian lengths at times, but form shapes content, and the content has that shape; my careful enveloping shall preserve its shape by the terminology chosen and the style of the description. This is quite important, because after all, that physics is foremost a description rather than “real ontology” is one of the messages of this essay.


    On the Relation between Totality and Quantum Mechanics (QM)

    I) Totality is the total of all possible facts; this is in spirit Wittgenstein’s “The world is the totality of facts, not of things” [1] with a somewhat different choice of terminology.

    The possible includes both, the observable and the unobservable, otherwise the latter distinction would add nothing to the possible-versus-impossible one. I here prefer to separate “possible” from “possibly observable” in order to be relevant to quantum mechanics (QM). Impossible is for example that the sine of a real number exceeds unity.


    II) QM is about the totality of possibilities, including observable and unobservable possibilities, which are, together with the knowledge from the already determined and actualized, this theory’s input. This completely constraints the total background of uncertainty, so that QM outputs precisely all the possibly observable with its probabilities (probability amplitudes), which are our expectation measure.


    Compare II) with I) and add that QM is the very theory that is most inquisitive of the act of observation (~ measurement interaction, radical instrumentalism). Clearly, QM is not just some more detailed physics, but the theory that will complete the epistemic end of physics. It is about the totality of possible alternatives, both observable and unobservable [e.g. tachyonic off shell paths, inconsistent histories, virtual particles, QM fluctuations relative to the outside of a stable ground state, or Boltzmann brains at zero Kelvin (classical or Unruh/Hawking temperature)].


    This has never been said before, but it is the core of QM:


    III) QM is the modal realism of totality plus the correlations (entanglement) between all possibilities/alternatives inside of totality.

     

    Interpret this in very much the same way as “Classical Mechanics (CM) is the interactions between all the actualized objects/things/particles/waves/strings within a directly real world, the classically implicated single reality”. Still, you may ask, what is "modal realism" supposed to be?


    Direct Realism and Modal Realism: What are they?

    Direct reality is what this essay and in my opinion the whole essay contest is about: The profoundly wrong assumption obstructing progress in physics for much too long by now. It is your feeling of that for you actualized alternatives(for example the now-moment) are internally in some way so special that all the not actualized alternatives cannot be interfering at all because they simply do not “exist” or are “unreal”. But this is already wrong and should perhaps have stayed unmentioned.


    Let me introduce modal realism in a novel way that should speak to the modern physicist and quantum philosopher alike,namely via talking quite casually about the totality of possibilities.


    Modal realism is the fundamental equality of such alternatives as that I today wear gray instead of white socks. In other words:

    1) White socks today instead of gray ones are in no way prescribed by the symmetries of the rock bottom foundation of it all.

    2) Even if white socks were prescribed by the initial conditions of a classical model universe, it would be foundational only relative to that universe, while even under classical determinism,totality also includes all possible initial conditions, and thus white socks initial conditions and gray socks initial conditions are equivalent relative to totality. Recall at this point that QM deals with totality. One of the main points of this article shall thus be put into an almost whimsically polemic sentence, yet one that is self-evident and almost tautologically true:


    QM treats my wearing of white socks today and my wearing of gray socks today equivalently. QM is the very description which treats all alternatives equivalently, because only in that way can it fully describe the correlations between all observable and unobservable possibilities, which is the correlation that makes the possibly observable indeed possible and expected to various degrees relative to a rational decision maker and her uncertainty [D. Deutsch/Wallace], for example via branch counting in a many world (MW) model [~ QM-Many World Interpretation (MWI)].


    None of this gives meaning to a merely grammatically well formed question like “Are superposition states ontological entities or merely epistemological constructs?” and so we cannot discuss such. I will not spend time on repeating who said what similarly about Cosmological principle of Mediocrity or the principle of Plenitude/Fecundity. Much more important is the following:


    IV) Modal realism does not need QM. Modal realism is tautologically true also in an imagined classical world. It is merely so that QM entanglement makes the modal description inevitable inside physics.

    Comments

    Quentin Rowe
    IV) Modal realism does not need QM. Modal realism is tautologically true also in an imagined classical world. It is merely so that QM entanglement makes the modal description inevitable inside physics (see second half of essay).
    Is this why classical mechanical dice substituting a quantum event in the Schrodinger's Cat experiment would be indistinguishable from the outside?
    vongehr
    Not sure what you mean.
    Quentin Rowe
    I'm suggesting that if you replace the QM event at the heart of Schrodinger's Cat experiment with a classical event such as a coin flip, the superposition remains. So it seems to me that a QM situation can arise with classical mechanics as long as you frame the event correctly. This to me is one interpretation of Modal Realism (MR). Therefore, I wonder with your comment on MR, if this view would be included in the meaning of that comment.
    vongehr
    if you replace the QM event at the heart of Schrodinger's Cat experiment with a classical event
    If the outcome were completely determined as one single state by the initial condition that you enclosed into the box, there would not be more than one state classically.
    Quentin Rowe
    Let's assume that the observer does not know the initial conditions, or can only deduce them via the outcome. Until then what is in the box is a split potential, and therefore a superposition. It is only after the outcome, or a perhaps a prior observation of initial conditions that it is found out to be QM or classical.

    Maybe the whole timeline from whoh-to-go is part of the experiment. Or it could be linked in a QM manner via a multiverse view, of which the two physical outcomes (dead/live cat), are separated by vastly distant locations, and manifest only because of the total range of possibilities offered by QM phase-space, all created billions of years past by the initial quantum conditions, which is where/when the experiment actually kicked off.

    Either way, I've yet to be convinced of the difference, from an observer's point of view, between the quantum superposition description, and simply not knowing what's in the box. That, to me, is Modal Realism.

    vongehr
    I've yet to be convinced of the difference, from an observer's point of view, between the quantum superposition description, and simply not knowing what's in the box.
    There is fundamentally no difference. There are different degrees to which the box is isolated from the observer and may allow the observer to play with the complex quantum phases of the states in superposition for example, but all is fundamentally different degrees to which the observer can possibly know (or is in a description assumed to "know" via interacting).
    Quentin Rowe
    There is fundamentally no difference...
    Well, isn't this a key premise to include in the article, or is it merely a side-dish...
    vongehr
    It is in some sense the key but it would be very anti-Wittgenstein core insight to elaborate. We are not here to tell people that fruit and vegetable and everything are the same (there is fundamentally no distinction is true pot-induced insight) but to make a distinction where useful, in order to be able to say something like "Tomatoes are actually fruit" at all.

    What would happen if they were sold as fruit? I now eat three per day, but if somebody offered me them as fruit ... Yuck!
    Quentin Rowe

    Ok, here's some 'Direct Realism' for you: Why don't you just get to the point?

    I joined Science2.0 almost the same time as you, and it's taken me up to this article to realize that the Modal Realism you've been banging on about in couched language is the very same thing I take as a given property of any Type1 multiverse (Tegmark's terminology).

    You don't need to fully understand QM to understand this, but one does have to credit QM with giving a firm footing to the multiverse set of ideas.

    Where your strength lies is in taking this property and seeing how it plays out at the quantum level. I'm not studied enough to fully comprehend the QM ramifications of this property, and so rely on folks like you to enlighten me as to the deeper ideas that stem from, what to me, is self-evident.

    Watching you develop your ideas, in your rather combative, defensive style has been like watching someone 'come out of the closet' armed with a AK47!

    Relax - it's ok to play 'outside'. Who cares what the other kids say...

    vongehr
    Not sure what's up with you today and I have to go now, but let me just real fast say that I do not find the 4 level multiverse of Tegmark any good (it is wrong actually) and multiverse is not the same as many worlds. Perhaps I get to this tomorrow.
    Quentin Rowe

    Look, I know you are making this up as you go along. You're still in the process of exploration and discovery, like any good science adventure. It's not like you've had a complete insight and are struggling to explain it.

    This is where I think you can relax a bit. Stop getting hung-up on creating precision terminology for an unfolding field. Let other participants have input with this - leave some room for participation.

    Look at terminology in physics - 'hairy black holes', 'the eight-fold way'... no one gives a damn about precision if it obscures the core idea, which you just confessed to up above. If that's the core idea, then include it, plain and simple.

    That's what I mean by get to the point.


    As for Tegmark, I know you don't agree with him, but I stand by at the very least his Level 1 multiverse, and agree with him that it is the assumed default 'stand-in' at present. I could do with furthur clarification on the difference between multiverse and many worlds. I'm gonna revisit your articles on this.

    vongehr
    I don't understand what you mean by "get to the point". I suspect you want me to talk about something that is inside the realm of what Wittgenstein taught us cannot be described. This seems to fit to that you think I should just be relaxed with the terminology, which would mean that you do not accept the whole point of the article and Wittgenstein. Physics is a description, if the semantics is wrong, it is wrong.
    Quentin Rowe

    Yes, you are correct, accuracy is important of course. You spend most of your energy being accurate.

    My frustration is mystifying you, and I think I see why now. I'm a convert on Modal Realism, but I guess what I'm expecting is further elaboration from you on the implications of MR, which are truly wondrous. I'm less interested in it's precise definition, even though it must be established.

    To me it is the most significant game-changer for modern physics, the one to get it back on track, and truly unified, even healing the perceived (but artificial) rift of matter and consciousness. I suppose this is why there is so much resistance to the idea. What's consciousness got to do with physics, after all...

    Yes, the semantic detail is necessary, but it's just bogging down an opportunity to communicate an idea that can be explained just as well without all that cold jargon.

    If I took a lot of care to build a precision sphere, and find I've made it wrong - say dia 111.6mm +/- 0.00000004mm when it should have been 101.6mm +/- 0.00000004mm, I could take some comfort in knowing that at least it was precisely wrong.

    Not saying your wrong, just that your focus on the number of linguistic decimal places may be leaving out a larger dimension of interest and excitement out of the description.

    So, yeah, leave in the accuracy, but don't leave out an illuminating and exciting description of the core idea. However, if you believe it can't be talked about, then that smells to me like a self imposed limit.

    Sentences will have Kantian lengths at times
    Thanks for the warning, but people are going to find out soon enough. You have tied a magnificent Gordian knot with your promises to discuss the undiscussable - readers will be agog to see how you unravel it; drawing their attention to your hideous writing style is not helpful. Keep your essay writing out of your essay. 
    Modal realism is tautologically true also in an imagined classical world. 
    Oh yes. Someone mentioned this recently. Tautological it may be, self-evidently so, it is not. Gray vs white socks don't convey any useful message. And gray is spelt differently in the UK, so you might change the colour scheme if you have a mixed bunch of judges.
    A particle moving from A to B takes every possible path from A to B simultaneously.
    Photographs of this remarkable feat? No, I thought not. (Fictitious diagrams don't count.)
    when it comes to field theory, every allowed way a process can happen does contribute!
    "ways contributing" are not the same thing as "taking every path".  You are imposing an ontology of your own. 
     
    Hope that's useful.

    vongehr
    drawing their attention to your hideous writing style is not helpful. Keep your essay writing out of your essay.
    Thank you - I will remove the Kantian stuff. That the style is Wittgenstein's is absolutely crucial to understanding though.
    And gray is spelt differently in the UK
    Also good point.
    "A particle moving from A to B takes every possible path from A to B simultaneously."
    Photographs of this remarkable feat? No, I thought not. (Fictitious diagrams don't count.)
    Will be rephrased to make it clear that this is about the contributions of unobservable possibilities to the maths.
    "when it comes to field theory, every allowed way a process can happen does contribute!"
    "ways contributing" are not the same thing as "taking every path".  You are imposing an ontology of your own.
    As just said. Will be reformulated.
    Hope that's useful.
    Yes, this is very useful indeed. Please keep it up until we have something that has no longer any misleading phrases. Thank you.
     
    blue-green

    “one can arrive at the totality of oneself when one fully understands that the world is merely a view”

    Sound familiar? Here is a fuller version:

    “Only if one pits two views against each other can one weasel between them to arrive at the real world. That is, one can arrive at the totality of oneself only when one fully understands that the world is merely a view, regardless of whether that view belongs to an ordinary man or to a sorcerer. What matters is not to learn a new description but to arrive at the totality of oneself.”

    Being original is/was difficult, even for the person who made up the series with the quotes above.

    If you must have "Modal realism is tautologically true" it will have to follow a pretty strong and obvious explanation that it is! 
    I mentioned the same thing, but, characteristically, Sascha ignored it. He appears to be hardwired to accept it as self-evident, but, as far as the essay is concerned, he will shoot himself in the foot if he merely asserts it without explanation. Or decides to leave it unexplained because Wittgenstein said he should - without explanation.
     
    At the risk of veering off-topic, I am, of course honoured to be bracketed with your mother, albeit in the context of understanding modal reality, but I find your discussion less than illuminating.

    Everybody knows that scenarios don't just fall into two categories: possible and impossible. The following is a very minimal list - even with direct realism. It gets much bigger with observer-dependency and gets completely out of hand when considering facts about facts: the potential observers of the primary observers - a Von Newmann infinite heap of turtles if ever there was one.

    Impossible in principle
    Impossible because it is false as it happens
    Counter-factual through lack of actualization
    Counter-factual through impossibility of actualization
    Possible
    Actualized but unknown
    Factual.
    Well quantum physics can already tell us something about this, everything not forbidden is mandatory and has a measurable effect.
    Oh really? You actually wearing black socks is not forbidden, therefore it is mandatory that you actually wear black socks? I don't think so! The black sock histories are eliminated once the observation has been made that you are wearing blue ones. Now, if you know what the conjugate operator is for sock colour observation, I will grant that statements about that may be meaningful. However they remain counterfactual until it is measured, and whatever quantity it is, it will only be observable through the subtle EPR entanglements of 10^30 particles many of which are dissipating at the speed of light. If you want to claim that this is measurable, please say exactly how - and how we could ever know that we had measured it properly and not overlooked some stray phonon vibrating its way through your bedroom floor which would be enough to destroy your measurement completely.
    Put it another way, if you were to claim that the universe where I was wearing black socks today didn't exist what would it mean?
    It would mean you were wearing blue ones.
    Are my blue socks on this day so special, that they actually prevent universes where I wear black socks from existing.
    No, the fact that you are wearing blue socks entails that you are not wearing black ones.
    Do they seek out any and destroy all universes that might "try" to exist in some place outside of space and time and prevent them from actually existing?
    I have not studied the private lives of other universes.  Even if your blue socks do drive this universe into a belligerent frenzy, a universe which is only "trying to" exist is going to be pretty hard to find. Modify your picture so that the other universes actually exist and you have merely asserted a multiverse which is precisely what you appear to be attempting to justify.
    Well this doesn't make any sense
    No disagreement there.
    vongehr
    "Modal realism is tautologically true" it will have to follow a pretty strong and obvious explanation that it is! I mentioned the same thing, but, characteristically, Sascha ignored it. He appears to be hardwired to accept it as self-evident,
    It is true by definition. It is the equivalence of all alternatives inside of the most foundational description. If it is not, you simply do not deal with the most fundamental description, period.
    Now how and where do you suggest me to make this yet clearer?
    Now how and where do you suggest me to make this yet clearer?
    Well you could explain what you mean. That might help.  

    Start with the definition of modal realism - the words do not suggest "the equivalence of all alternatives", in fact they don't really suggest anything at all.  You can say it's clear until you're blue in the face. It isn't clear to me. It obviously isn't clear to Thor. It won't be clear to your judges. This is what I mean by you being hardwired to accept it. You simply can't see the difficulty. 
     
    vongehr
    I see the difficulty now.
    I see the difficulty now.
    :/

    Hang on. I have, just this second, thought, of something. 

    I have argued long and hard in a totally different context, about modality - originally in the context of compatibilism (free-will). However, exactly the same thing crops up if you consider causal influence from the future - hence my Time Travel Paradoxes blog. If you allow counter-factual definiteness for things that simply "haven't happened yet" then everything is possible in one sense but only the actual outcome is possible in another sense... Modality just refers to the semantic (and logical) construction   "it is possible that..." which, rather than performing mental gymnastics with modal logic is simplest if you always specify the conditions under which the scenario is possible or impossible :) 
     
    SO.... it occurs to me that when YOU talk about modal reality, perhaps, just perhaps, you are talking about describing the universe as possibilities, not as facts, the word "modal" referring to a paradigm where possibilities are paramount rather than facts. This, to my mind, means you have eliminated "reality" altogether, not for any metaphysical reason but simply because where there are possibilities of certain things happening, there are also possibilities of their not happening. To lump them all together eliminates the meaning of "actual" or "real". Or maybe you restrict this operation to counterfactual statements, still allowing reality to creep in where there is consensus - a number of particles, observers or turtles agreeing...
     
    Deep breath. In this case there is nothing at all difficult or challenging about "modal realism"! Nothing scary about terrible worlds or any of that stuff. (Please don't back-pedal into "terribly improbable worlds" - you were not very convincing at the time and it will be disastrous in your essay.) In fact it is a perfectly natural way of *describing* the world. The odd thing is, I think it is "compatible" with my sort of realism - as a concrete example, if the wavefunction of the universe is real then we just see a slice or shadow of it and that's it. The spectacular impossibility of local realism in the Bell sense then needs very careful statement, otherwise you will end up with ghostly virtual particles and ghostly half-dead Schrodinger cats.
     
    Well, there are just two possibilities as far as I can tell.
    Either I have grasped what you mean - blame the long latency period on the ridiculous  terminology and your tendancy to conflate modal realism with many worlds thus opening the floodgates to hippy-woo-woo...
    Or I am still hopelessly lost.
     
    Either way, you can bounce what you intend to write off me, I have no objection to playing the part of a surrugate judge with "man in the pub" concepts of reality and a safely sandboxed set of ideas labelled "Wittgenstein said" (in my case virtually empty but I expect the judging panel will be full to bursting point with such *modal* facts). 

     



    blue-green

    Hello Derek. Perhaps you recall me phrasing your plea as a need to take the subjunctive mood more seriously. The last time I googled subjunctive, the emphasis was on how it was a quaint antique …. They say that because the Basic Physical Assumptions Are Wrong amongst moderns, and in particular Americans north of Mexico. The subjunctive mood is NOT a frivolous decoration in speaking honestly. It will come back, not with all of its special conjugations, but more as Lewis Carrol foresaw:

    “Contrariwise, if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't.”

    In reference to your time-travel blog, Lewis would add: “It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards.”

    * Query Time *  ¿What would your words mean by: “Impossible because it is false as it happens”?

    If it were so, it would be so   >!<

    As usual, I have no idea what you're talking about.
    * Query Time * ¿What would your words mean by: “Impossible because it is false as it happens”?
    It is hard to say what my words would mean. I can probably tell you what they do mean but what they mean is not necessarily the same as what I mean. Whether my words mean the same thing by the quoted sentence as the quoted sentence means on it own is also moot, but it's a fair bet that my words mean the same thing as the quoted sentence - because they are the same thing.

    It just needs a comma before "as it happens". 
     
    blue-green
    I guess you expect the reader to parse it and it into 2 different its all in your short little bit. Kind of like The Cat in the Hat having a Thing One and a Thing Two and more under the same hat to clean up all of the pink snow.
    WHAT?  You have the hypocritical nerve, the temerity, the diabolical gall to criticise someone else's clarity of expression? Naughty, naughty, naughty Mrs Norris!
    Thor Russell
    I think what he means that if you take a Theory of Everything then that by definition describes everything that can be. Totality is defined to be everything described by such a theory. Exist is then defined to be everything that the theory can generate as opposed to just the universe we live in. If you also accept that the sentence "what possibilities actually exist?" makes no sense as there is no definable difference between possibilities that exist and those that dont, (where possibility doesn't mean our actual world) then many worlds pretty much becomes tautological. Unless you are to claim that there is some relation that fundamentally ties the constants of nature together, means that the forces we know are the only ones possible and even the initial conditions couldn't be anything else, then many worlds must be true by this definition.

    I don't think it has anything to do with time, or "hasn't happened yet"
    Thor Russell
    Thor, I appreciate your valiant attempts to extract meaning from Sascha's more obscure utterances but the point is surely that if we, who are used to him, struggle, then you can be sure that anyone judging essays is going to give up and reject the work out of hand - purely because they also can't make head nor tail of it.
    Exist is then defined to be everything that the theory can generate as opposed to just the universe we live in.
    Why on earth would anyone make up such a silly definition? Might as well define existence as the property of having three heads.
    I don't think it has anything to do with time, or "hasn't happened yet" 
    How can you discuss compatibilism other than by considering the modalities of presentism?

    Thor Russell
    OK lets start from the beginning about modal realism again (without respect to quantum etc) so I can see at least what you understand by it. It seems everyone has a different idea.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_realism

    According to wiki it means that all possible worlds are as real as the actual world. So we have to decide what "possible worlds" and "real" means.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possible_worlds 
    Does "possible world" mean one with "Possible propositions"
    "real" is a bit more difficult as it can't mean something that we experience as that is only this world. 

    It seems to be that modal realism in wiki
    "equates mathematical reality with physical reality"

    Does this mean that other possible worlds are real in the same sense that the sine of any number is real (existence real rather than integer vs real number maths real)?
    And if you go from a simple formula to the laws of physics for our universe, then things are just as real and any data you put into them being positions of atoms etc is real in the same sense that sine(x) is real and also our current universe is real?
    Thor Russell
    mathematical_investigations
    I know this is only a draft, but don't underestimate how important the writing itself is. Regardless of your opinion about his ideas, Julian Barbour's winning essay was beautifully written and could serve as a stylistic model. It simultaneously tells two stories that meld together; the story of Babour's quest to understand the nature of time and the historical story about measurements of time. The idea you're writing about almost doesn't matter. If you were to use Barbour as a guide, that would mean 1. A lot of historical information about the philosophy leading up to and including Wittgenstein 2. maybe some personal information about yourself including your research history, 3. some equations for sophistication and to make the reader feel that they've learned something concrete. and 4. quote from literature doesn't hurt.

    Your ideas are fine (they don't seem that radical to me- it seems like the conventional view (how else can you make sense of summing up multiple histories other than the universe constantly branching and no one excepts that), although most scientists prefer not to think deeply about it.  

    And you should also link the philosophy to concrete examples (but don't use the double slit experiment!- it's the most tired cliche in all of physics)      


    vongehr
    Sorry, but that is precisely how I DO NOT want to write! You are sadly correct that such useless methods is what such essay contests are about, but it is also what I am not about. I do not care about winning - I care about writing the best essay, and this is an opportunity to reach out and perhaps reach the one or the other soul who somehow lost its way and ended up reading such essays. If you want to read history about Wittgenstein - have fun. I will not waste my time.
    mathematical_investigations
    In Barbour's defense, the historical examples weren't simply grafted on, they were illustrative. A historical narrative can be a useful pedagogical device. Some of the best technical physics books are very historical (in my opinion) and quite a few physicists (susskind and  zee come to mind) believe that studying the history of physics illuminates the subject. I didn't mean to imply that you should include completely arbitrary historical information. 
    vongehr
    History merely serves to preserve unhelpful paradigms. Relativity and QM would do much better if people would completely forget the history. Barbour endlessly rides around on what Wittgenstein has already completely covered by simply being silent about it. It sells, of course, but unsurprisingly to me, it brings zero progress.
    I say, forget Barbour... forget Wittgenstein for that matter, perhaps the best history is Vongehr! You might try writing your essay as a first person narrative explaining how you have come to your understanding about model realism. I find writing and talking in the fist person disarms the reader/listener and puts them at ease, after all it's just some guy writing about what happened to him. It doesn't threaten the readers beliefs and may leave them open to some of the ideas that brought you to your understanding. And maybe they will come to understand too, even if it is only an understanding of you. It might create more crackpot images for them, but people tend to honor open and personal honesty and a little passion thrown in couldn't hurt (but maybe not).

    I know this is a very difficult subject to explain. I myself understand and completely agree with you. But I would be very hard pressed to explain how I got to this point. I will say that you have helped me find the right questions to ask. I guess I always felt there seemed to be something missing or something more. Modal realism helps paves the way to my totality.

    Good Luck with your essay, I'm looking forward to reading it.

    vongehr
    I do not add a little Wittgenstein (or as irrelevant Vongehr) history like a pinch of salt into a fad soup. In fact, I abhor writers who do this kind of thing, regardless their popularity, I never add any history, and I am proudly completely ignorant of Wittgenstein's history as much as I am pretty sure he was.
    He taught us something that Popper didn't grasp and the world thus forgot, and it is vital in order to understand the foundation. If people are not able to understand that, I am not surprised, heck why should they just because I come along after they already refused for a century. Especially with FQXi semi-political issues involved, my chances of winning are very slim to say optimistically, but one thing will 100% never happen:
    That I write some mediocre essay spiced up with a little PC history to make the establishment feel warm and fuzzy. I write real shit that stinks when it hits the fan.
    Hey, what's the matter with warm and fuzzy? It's a unique angle that might just find an undefended approach to this subject. There's enough science writing that stinks out there already. Why throw more on the fan? Perhaps a breath of fresh air would be welcome. If you think your story is irrelevant, maybe that's why some of your readers think so too. The world has not forgot what Wittgenstein taught, because you remember and understand. That's why you came along, to remind them. Nevertheless, I'll support your approach. I'm just hoping for your less informed readers that "I write real shit" doesn't turn out to be literal. Anyway, again, Good luck with your essay. I'm still looking forward to reading it.

    vongehr
    Nothing wrong with warm and fuzzy! ;-)
    Quentin Rowe
    (but don't use the double slit experiment!- it's the most tired cliche in all of physics)

    I guess you could say photons are cliche then. We're all a bit tired of photons in physics... ;-)

    blue-green

    And now, a jump ahead 'n back to Losing the Human Form which might be and could be the thrust of Sascha's 2nd half. Here is how a bestseller retrodicted with Buddhism, magical realism and made up toltecisms: “Reaching the second attention makes the two attentions into a single unit, and that unit is the totality of oneself. Diligence in an impeccable life is the only way to lose the human form. Losing the human form is the essential requirement for unifying the two attentions. This retracing, when it is completed, is called regaining the totality of oneself. To break the shell means remembering the other self, and arriving at the totality of oneself.”

    After commenting on your response to Barry Barrett I realize that changing the format of your essay is not what you asked that we contribute. My apologies. This subject is of extreme interest to me, and now I would like to contribute what I hope to be constructive insights based on my level of understanding of what you have already written.

    "The Fall of Direct Reality" - I see this as confrontational. Why ask for a fight? I think something like "The Wall of Direct Reality" offers possibilities that could be beneficial. Direct reality is like a wall that blocks us from what's on the other side. Derek Potters comment of how "black sock histories are eliminated" illustrates this idea. He comes to the wall and because he can't see what's on the other side, denies there's anything there, or worse, just eliminates it if it might have been there. The black socks are there, they have already been created and are part of the total description, and thus affect the choice of blue socks.

    Introduction - The Introduction is good, but can be a bit enigmatic for someone who has not been exposed to this type of speech. I remember how difficult it was for me when I read Alan Watts' "Tao: The Watercourse Way". I was never exposed to this type of talk before. I wanted to know what the Tao was, but any explanation I could come up with was exactly not the Tao. The whole book was like this, and it was very frustrating. But at the end, with no explanation forthcoming, my resistance had worn down and I began to get it. You simply cannot ask. “Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent”. I'm not sure how you can glean some understanding of this without beating them into submission with a book length iteration of "you simply cannot ask". You sum it up perfectly with "the description is the tautological description of totality", if they could only get it.

    "I declare this essay to be “against direct realism” without mentioning this too much again" - Again, this is confrontational. Why mention it at all? You just make the wall stronger and you want them to rise above it to see what's on the other side.

    "Sentences will have Kantian lengths at times, ..." - This is important but could be viewed as an onus for the reader. This is sort of your "modi operandi" and would be better kept private.

    "physics is foremost a description rather than “real ontology”" - An expansion of this distinction would be helpful. Isn't this description an ontology after all? Not a "real ontology" but a "total ontology".

    "On the Relation between Totality and Quantum Mechanics (QM)" This is all excellent, especially if the reader is with you so far. The Footnote makes for a great "technical endnote" as FQXi puts it. "QED as such is correct to 15, 16, 17 … - it is simply correct, period." I think this is very acceptable and accessible and no more accuracy is necessary for this discussion. One small note under this heading, II) - "constraints" I believe should be "constrains".

    "This has never been said before, but it is the core of QM:" - Yes, yes, yes, go for it. This is the meat of your assertion.

    "Direct Realism and Modal Realism: What are they?" - "But this is already wrong and should perhaps have stayed unmentioned." Perhaps, but I think this is a good place to speak in the fist person. "The profoundly wrong assumption" and "It is your feeling", "wrong" and "your" are again confrontational. Better would be something like "Direct Realism is the profound assumption that has been obstructing progress in physics for much too long now." and I would feel better with "It is my felling that for me...".

    "One of the main points of this article shall thus be put into an almost whimsically polemic sentence, yet one that is self-evident and almost tautologically true:" - This stuck me in the eye. Things were flowing smoothly up to now. If you want to bring notice to some point in one sentence just do it. To make the sentence "whimsically polemic", using polemic is begging a fight, and making that fight whimsical does not diffuse it. What follows the colon is not whimsical, we're not talking about fairies here, and it does not have to be polemic. And what do you mean by "almost tautologically true"??

    "None of this gives meaning to a merely grammatically well formed question like..." - If we can't discuss the question, why bring it up? Again, just go for what is "Much more important".

    Well, that's what I have to say. Please forgive me if I have not included enough "It is my felling", "I believe that", "In my humble opinion" type wording. I've been told before that I tend to get a bit preachy at times. Please take my input in the best possible light as constructive. It is what I intended.

    vongehr
    Asog - thank you very much indeed for your many valid points. In fact, almost all the parts you mentioned, right from the title going on, I have already changed over the last few days and mostly for the precise reason that you state here. Too confrontational etc. I like to be confrontational, but in fact, it is impossible if one really wants to stay in the method of positivism. One simply cannot say XYZ is wrong without being wrong, simply because the definition of XYZ is either defined usefully or not, and if not, it cannot be grasped inside ones own code. So, I think what I have now will be much much better already and I am looking forward to what you will have to say to my second part.
    Again - thank you - it is seldom that such constructive collaboration comes from a comment thread on the internet.
    You're very welcome. And you're welcome to anything I've said here, it's yours now. I'm really happy you understand when I say confrontational. I like to keep things controversial at worst. The world is an angry enough place and I won't add to that. It's just not worth knowing how it works if we have to fight about. The pen is mightier than the sword and you have the gift. If you wield it wisely, you cannot fail. They may not get it, but there's satisfaction in knowing you did your best to try to give it to them. And that satisfaction is success.

    The internet can be a nasty place. I'm very cautious about what I say here so I won't promise you any input on your second part just because you are looking forward to it. But if there is anything I can add to support you efforts in promoting this idea, you will surely hear from me. I find it extremely interesting and worthy of serious consideration.

    After reading your latest post about Joy Christian I've been thinking about how the brain works, especially the "rational rationality" issue. I know this is out of the scope of this post, but I am posting here because this idea about QM plays a role (I think). But what role depends on my understanding of the answers to a few questions. If you would help, please.

    The possible includes both, the observable and the unobservable, otherwise the latter(unobservable?) distinction would add nothing to the possible-versus-impossible one(distinction?). Are these references to "latter" and "one" correct?

    "I here prefer to separate “possible” from “possibly observable” in order to be relevant to quantum mechanics (QM)." I am taking that “possibly observable” is what is relevant to QM here, because in II) you state, "...QM outputs precisely all the possibly observable with its probabilities (probability amplitudes), which are our expectation measure." If "QM is about the totality of possibilities" are the unobservable possibilities being neglected in the probability output, or are they overridden by, or already included in "...the knowledge from the already determined and actualized" (possibly observable?) probabilities? Then what is "our expectation measure." a measure of (the facts?)?

    I know these questions are all jumbled up, but they are as clear as my jumbled up brain can make them. Maybe you could help me straighten them out? Please don't spend a lot of time on this (I know you're busy), some yes/no type answers are enough for now. With these questions in the back of your mind, I'm sure a detailed understanding will be forthcoming soon.

    vongehr
    "latter distinction" means the observable-versus-unobservable distinction. It may be confusing, so let me rephrase that. Thank you for this hint.
    I am taking that “possibly observable” is what is relevant to QM here,
    No - unobservable is input, too. They are also output if you like, but mostly we use QM to give expectation values. There are also unobservable possibilities, just their expectation happens to be zero.
    Then what is "our expectation measure." a measure of (the facts?)?
    Ha ha - that is an issue that people should think very very hard about. In many world models, it is the number of worlds, but nobody can actually count them, so it seems confusing (Why should the individual in one world care about how many other worlds there are? Answer: She does not need to. All she needs is looking at her own empirical records). D. Deutsch explains it best as a measure that makes sense to a rational decision maker in game theory. If that does not satisfy you because you want to know what 'expectation really is', Wittgenstein has only a silent smile for you.
    "No - unobservable is input, too. " - That's what I thought. "They are also output if you like, ...just their expectation happens to be zero." - Gotcha.

    "In many world models, it is the number of worlds... Why should the individual in one world care about how many other worlds there are? Answer: She does not need to." - Yes, yes, yes, this is my understanding, I just didn't make the connection to the expectation measure. I could never see why so many people get their shorts in such a knot about this. This is very satisfying and truly "a measure that makes sense to a rational decision maker". Now you've made everything perfectly clear. Thanks for untying that knot in my brain.