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    Bloggers Are A Little Less Under The Constitution?
    By Hank Campbell | December 8th 2011 10:55 AM | 12 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    Bad news for bloggers; the courts love to protect journalists, even those shysters who use 'anonymous' sources that have directly led to the rash of modern journalists inventing even Pulitzer Prize-winning stories that were made from whole cloth - but bloggers are not under that umbrella.

    Uber-progressive Oregon is, no surprise, not on the side of the little guy here and instead went with the most expensive attorney. U.S. District Judge Marco Hernandez declared last week that a blogger does not get the same protection as a journalist and so can be sued for defamation.

    The judge said Montana blogger Crystal L. Cox, who called attorney Kevin Padrick a thug and a thief online during bankruptcy proceedings by him and Obsidian Finance Group LLC, was not protected by Oregon's shield law from having to produce sources because she was not affiliated with any mainstream outlet; she offered no professional qualifications as a journalist, had no journalism education, credentials or affiliation with a recognized news outlet, proof of adhering to journalistic standards such as editing or checking her facts, evidence she produced an independent product or evidence she ever tried to get both sides of the story.

    Oh my. If balance or evidence or expertise is now required, 98% of science bloggers had better get ready for lawsuits from Republicans, religious groups and Exxon.

    Federal judge: Montana blogger is not journalist By Jeff Barnard, Associated Press

    Comments

    mhlongmeyer

    The headline of this post is a little misleading because Oregon's "shield" law is a matter of state law, not the Constitution.  The state of Oregon can protect or unprotect bloggers as it sees fit, so long as it avoids a conflict with the Constitution.

    This doesn't change the import of the story, of course, especially for bloggers who can be sued in Oregon.

    Hank
    Sure, but a Federal judge made the ruling and 150 years ago it was determined states could not violate the U.S. Constitution; which is what protects journalists. 50 state laws for journalists would have taken American news to a weird place long ago.
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    This case brings up an important issue about the standards necessary for 'new media journalism' being in alignment with traditional media standards: Read more . . . http://digitalbrandmarketing.com/2011/12/10/the-daring-digital-decision-...

    Gerhard Adam
    Hmmm ... fact-checking is a journalistic standard?  Who would've thought that?
    Gerhard Adam
    Actually I don't think this is as big a deal as is being presented, and a fair question can be raised as to why journalists SHOULD be shielded if they don't have sources for what they publish.

    In short, the ruling simply indicates that without the media label, then you're like any other citizen who is subject to libel suits for making claims or comments that someone considers damaging.  After all, it is legitimate to question why someone online should be allowed to call you a thief, for no better reason than they're in a bad mood.  Similarly we should question why journalists are protected for making claims that cannot be substantiated when they involve damaging an individual's reputation or livelihood for no better reason than it makes good copy.

    Freedom of speech, or freedom of the press is not synonymous with freedom from accuracy or reality. 
    Hank
    I agree here. The problem is that Woodward&Bernstein, who are adored by succeeding generations of journalists for taking down a Republican, basically sent the journalism field into the sensationalism quagmire by using an anonymous source and having editors rationalize it with 'but this is really, really important.' Heck, Dan Rather almost got away with it even in the 2000s - if it hadn't been for the Internet, he would have, along with the BBC, Reuters and too many to count who were discovered doctoring photos and facts.(I don't bother to mention Fox because the 94% of science academia that is not Republican debunks Fox but only the rest of world looks at the BBC skeptically).

    No one should be exempt from disclosing sources if the content is damaging - but if journalists are, so are bloggers. This particular case will not be substantial enough to go any farther but some real blogger, with credibility, is going to uncover something important and get sued - then we'll see if the Supreme Court agrees it's only journalism if you have a degree in journalism.
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    Gerhard Adam
    I still don't think it's much of an issue.  The point isn't that you can't say something important, it's only that it can't be libelous or damaging with the expectation that the author has some privileged journalistic status.

    If the post had said the attorney was a thief and offered proof, then there would have been no suit.  However, without proof it's simply taking advantage of being perceived as media, despite not being held to the same standard (i.e. capable of being fired by your boss for taking liberties).  I don't want these loose cannons on the internet capable of saying or blogging about anything they like without fear that they are responsible for what they say.

    I don't really how this has much to do with anonymous sources, since that will always be an area that is suspect.  However, I don't think anyone can reasonably claim (journalist or not) that an anonymous source told me that someone was a thief, or that someone was a liar.  Those are still libelous statements and (I don't believe) are protected regardless of the source.  On the other hand, if an anonymous source provided information about the theft, then it can't be considered damaging because it is about an event that can either be demonstrated to have occurred or not. 

    I think the essential point is legitimate, which is ultimately that one shouldn't run their mouth about something that can harm someone else without being sure of their facts.  In addition, if it information of a private nature that is not in the public interest, then even accuracy is no protection.  This is as it should be, since the a reputation can be difficult to build and easy to damage.  Therefore if someone does it by being irresponsible, then they should be held liable and responsible for damages as a result of their ineptness.

    Let's remember that the only reason this lawsuit came to light, and why the attorney won, is because this blogger was making accusations without evidence. 
    Most journalists don't make their sole life's work an effort to make unsubstantiated accusations of criminal conduct attributed to one person, flooding google with page after page of web sites defaming that one person by name and then offering to desist if he paid he some cash (she forgot she sent that email and it ended up in court).

    "...adored by by succeeding generations of journalists for taking down a Republican..."

    Yes it had nothing to do with investigating a sitting president covering up a criminal break-in because it was much more important what political party he was in. If you think a major fall-out from Watergate was 'sensationalism' in journalism then you don't have as good a grasp of that issue as you think you do or an understanding of the importance normally attached to political leaders having at least semblance of honesty and adherence to the law. Uncovering dishonesty or hypocrisy by politicians using an anonymous source isn't sensationalism it's an essential element of getting people to come forth with information. Just because Dan Rather backed up two of his staff who screwed up big-time doesn't negate it's importance.

    Hank
    Yes it had nothing to do with investigating a sitting president covering up a criminal break-in because it was much more important what political party he was in.
    The 1960 election was the biggest, most obvious and blatant rip-off in modern times yet no one reported what was obviously known; all the dead people in Texas and Illinois voting for the Democrat. Likewise, the actual scandal of Clinton was much greater yet the coverage was grudging and focus on the Puritan mores of Americans rather than the fact this his conduct was worse than Nixon. Nixon resigned rather than be impeached but Clinton knew he did not have to.

    So yeah, I think it is obvious that journalists suffer confirmation bias just like lots of other people.

    Dan Rather did not simply back up two of his staff; he claimed that even though what he reported was unsubstantiated and false, he knew it to be true - that is codespeak for 'because Bush is Republican'.  It's no different than the police coming to your house and interrogating you if a broken window occurs in your neighborhood because you are a Democrat.

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    The 1960 election was the biggest, most obvious and blatant rip-off in modern times yet no one reported what was obviously known; all the dead people in Texas and Illinois voting for the Democrat.

    Well that's not quite all the info. The Republicans held office for weeks after the election & accusations of voter fraud was a major story then. Hawaii was recounted and moved to Nixon's side. Illinois' voting results were recounted (Illinois' State Board of Elections was four Republicans & one Democrat). Nixon got a few more votes but his cronies ran the rural southern part of the state (the gov was a Republican) got their area recounted, and well, they lost some. The weren't as good as Daley was apparently. Doesn't matter though, Kennedy won by 450,000 votes in Illinois. Only talk radio hosts and Fox News think the outcome would have been different. Further more, even had you given Nixon Illinois he still wouldn't have won.

    The accusations of voter fraud in Texas had as much media hype but far less evidence and were thrown out of Federal courts.

    Likewise, the actual scandal of Clinton was much greater yet the coverage was grudging and focus on the Puritan mores of Americans rather than the fact this his conduct was worse than Nixon. Nixon resigned rather than be impeached but Clinton knew he did not have to.

    The first was a stupid move for an idiotic but banal act while in office. Lying by accused over infidelity this happens all the time, most prosecutors deal with it all the time and seldom charge perjury for this alone unless they're really out to get the guy (I know, I was an assistant DA for a time). Nixon's decision to cover up a politically motivated break-in by a team working for his people was far more serious and ominous in a democracy. The difference shouldn't be a difficult one to delineate.

    Dan Rather did not simply back up two of his staff; he claimed that even though what he reported was unsubstantiated and false, he knew it to be true - that is codespeak for 'because Bush is Republican'.

    No. He said he knew it was unsubstantiated he never claimed he knew it was false. There is a difference. A subsequent investigation by CBS which led to his firing didn't claim he put forth purposeful lies. That's an important fact. They knew he'd probably sue them after they fired him (which he did). Any discovery that he knowingly put forth false evidence would have been used against him by the CBS and Viacom defense teams. Even they couldn't put that argument forth.

    I suggest you approach data on political issues in a similar manner to those on science. They aren't the same in several respects of course but you ought to gather all the facts--not just those facts you 'like'--in order to come to a rationale decision based on evidence not talk-radio opinion or made-up facts.

    Hank
    The first was a stupid move for an idiotic but banal act while in office. Lying by accused over infidelity this happens all the time, most prosecutors deal with it all the time and seldom charge perjury for this alone unless they're really out to get the guy (I know, I was an assistant DA for a time). Nixon's decision to cover up a politically motivated break-in by a team working for his people was far more serious and ominous in a democracy. The difference shouldn't be a difficult one to delineate.
    What else needs to be said?  One guy perjured himself, a clearly impeachable offense, and did not resign - and one did.  Yet the one you consider the bad guy, who became the bad guy because he learned in 1960 that the way to win elections was to cheat the way he had been cheated and did so and simply got caught, is the worse offender to you.  That tells us nothing about right and wrong or the change in journalism between 1972 and 1960, it just tells us how you vote.
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