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    Why Do People Still Believe In Secret Society Conspiracies?
    By Hank Campbell | June 8th 2011 06:50 PM | 50 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    People still believe in secret societies because there are secret societies - some groups just don't want attention, even if they do anonymous charity work - but secret cabals that control a nation or the world are irrational, yet belief in them persists.

    Go ahead, ask some left wing kook about George Bush and they will trail off into gibberish about the Skull&Crossbones and list all all these other people that were in it, as if being in a dinner group made them successful as opposed to being smart enough to get into an Ivy League school.   Really, if I am believing some secret Yale cabal is controlling America, I am going with The Whiffenpoofs.   Nothing else explains the popularity of "Glee".

    If you are not American, perhaps those names mean nothing.   If you are European, and inclined to believe in secret cabals, the Bilderberg Group may mean more.

    The Bilderberg Group first met in 1954 to discuss ways to keep Europeans from killing each other again - and maybe they did.   Something worked, since the 65 years Europeans have complained about American imperialism are the longest period of peace in European history - but later the Bilderberg Group meetings became a four-day Swiss vacation where business leaders, politicians and whatever get together and throw out ideas over warm cheese and booze.

    Like the Skull&Crossbones,  the Bilderberg Group is more of a dinner club than a place where world leaders plot to kill off poor people or control world finances, but there is no reasoning with some.   Ask any war protester (2001-2008 anyway, war protests stopped once a Democrat got elected and now imperialism in Libya is 'supporting democracy') about Bush and they will tell you he invaded Iraq for cheap oil.  When you note the price of oil has skyrocketed, they will tell you he did it to make oil expensive.   An older kook will say it's because Hussein tried to kill Bush 41 and he was in the Skull&Crossbones too.   You can't win when a secret cabal is the excuse they use to explain things.   Some people just like to have dinner together.

    My favorite secret society remains The Illuminati and I was reminded of them for three reasons recently - if you can explain the significance of being reminded of them three times in three weeks, you are onto something; one, I visited Bruce Damer about two weeks ago and, along with his exhaustive personal museum of computers and game systems, he showed me he had the collected books and albums owned by Timothy Leary - which included every bit of craziness ever written by Robert Anton Wilson, including the books of The Illuminati.   The second reason is because Danna Staaf got some props at old school gaming company Steve Jackson Games and the Illuminati has always been their secret gag too.  The third is because I saw a BBC article that the Bilderberg Group was meeting again and that always brings up conspiracy topics.

    So if you are an Arab, you may want to believe the Freemasons are propping up Israel, which is the same in America as believing Col. Sanders of Kentucky Fried Chicken fame is still alive and running the Pentaveret: 


    "So I Married An Axe Murderer" is the funniest movie me and only 10 other people watched.

    And Hillary Clinton became famous during the sex scandal of her husband, Pres. Bill Clinton, for claiming a 'vast right wing conspiracy' had invented the entire thing.

    Now, certainly 150 people who all get together and share ideas have some influence on each other, but so do highly-paid shills that walk the halls of government on the payroll of Big Oil And Environmental Corporations.   That doesn't make them secret cabals.

    The Bilderberg Group has different people every year, and it's people on both the left and the right, so if you want to believe the left is promoting a conspiracy to be one big, distant, socialist government, you will find it, and if you want to believe the right is trying to create one big, capitalist free market, you will find that also.

    I persist in the idea that Hitler is holed up in an Antarctic Fortress plotting his Fourth Reich and he is going to unleash an army of Mayans armed with strangelet-powered weapons next December, but only the crazy guy on the corner with a ping-pong ball for an eye will listen to me.   Maybe December 2012 we will be right.

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    To the author...You have got to be brain dead! Simple and plain, those with money and power get together to plan ways to keep their money and power, and or grow their money and power. To think otherwise makes you a complete asswipe. Do you think they are plotting ways to improve your life? Numbskull!

    To the author. Those with money and power are not meeting to discus ways to improve your simple minded life...they are meeting to discuss ways to protect, and expand their money and power. To think otherwise is idiotic. Grow up.

    Gerhard Adam
    Actually what's idiotic, is that those without money and power are too stupid to exercise their ability to acquire money and power, since they spend all their time focusing on secret societies.

    If people spent half the time actually paying attention to what goes on, as compared to simply bitching about all the conspiracies against them, they might actually achieve something to improve society.
    Mundus vult decipi
    Hank
    You're never going to be an idiotic asswipe numbskull like me, talking all sensible that way.
    Gerhard Adam
    Shows you how stupid I am .... I still think it could make a difference.

    What is interesting about the secret society beliefs, is that to consider that the rich and powerful are meeting in secret to determine our respective fates to their own best interest, suggests that they still expect them to meet, only that they would like them to work for our best interests.  What they fail to realize, is that it simply makes the rest of us little more than "pets" if that's how things actually worked.  If we are that helpless, that some rich people meeting for dinner can put us all on the chopping block, then the majority of people on this planet have made a serious wrong turn at some point in history.
    Mundus vult decipi
    Evil people rarely make themselves think they are doing evil. It's no different to an "environmentalist" wanting to depopulate the planet because it will save the environment, I'm sure on the surface even Natzi germany was doing good for the people. The irony is that the same people that fuck shit up in the first place are the ones trying to "fix" things in their own unique plan. But people doing evil things know they are evil no matter how much they try to say anything else to themselves

    Mr. Adam you seem like a no nonsense guy, and I admire that. But you look at the problems we face as a society that seem to have simple common sense solutions, yet never get solved. Illegal immigration, oil dependence, the food is poison, unless you buy "organic" which will put a hole in your pocket. Politicians who get caught in affairs, and sexting, and still feel they deserve their jobs. To me these things are simple problems, with simple solutions, yet they never get solved. Why? Because our world is a huge broadway play. Being acted out to distract people from mobilizing and taking on the real problems of society, and their own lives for that matter. "The world is a stage" comes to mind. Those in the boys clubs of Bilderberg and the like are the directors of this play. That's why it matters. Read about Zbignew Briezinski, or Kissinger, David Rockefeller, and read some of their quotes on things like global population, then tell me how you feel about these groups and the people in them.

    Gerhard Adam
    No, and I'll tell you why I find the concept of secret societies a cop-out.  It lets the people responsible off the hook.  Who are the people responsible?

    All those that should vote and don't.  All those that should make their voices heard in various decision-making opportunities.  Even responding to polls.  Instead what we have is an electorate that are basically idiots.  They have created a scenario of where the truth is an unwelcome element in any discussion.  Every politician recognizes that the truth will harm their careers.

    You mention politicians and affairs or sexting.  What possible difference does that make?  Where is the outrage when politicians screw up the economy?  Where is the outrage over the actual political decisions that have ramifications?  The only distractions that are occurring, are those that the electorate engage in for themselves.

    The point is that we don't need secret societies to have the problems we have.  All we need are voters that are so dumb that they can't differentiate between important decisions and gossip.

    A perfect example is the issue of tax rates for the wealthiest individuals.  If we look at that situation, common sense would dictate that the general public (primarily middle class and/or poor) should be voting for their own best interests.  Instead we find them defending tax cuts for the wealthiest people in the nation.  Why?  One scenario suggests that they are so frightened of the economy that they simply hope that giving more money to the rich will somehow magically translate into jobs for them.  The other is a simple-minded hope that one day they might be rich and wouldn't want to face those taxes.  It's ridiculous.  Note, that I'm not arguing for or against such tax cuts, but only considering how the general public is reacting.  It's completely irrational to vote against your own interests (which is who will have to make up the deficit) while supporting those that ultimately have no interest in their well-being (except for those that might have altruistic tendencies).  However, a realistic assessment would have to conclude that any benefit that might occur for the middle class or poor would be largely by an act of good will and not by design.

    There's no secret society necessary.  People willingly do it to themselves.
    Mundus vult decipi
    What about the Madam who organized prostitutes for powerful people and decided to kill herself right before the hearing where she would have revealed everything, even though she told everyone that if she dies then she was murdered and she has no interest in killing herself. And there are many cases like this.

    Im not sure what logic the author is using, but my logic tells me that if there are groups of powerful people meeting out in the open to discuss charity and how to make the world a better place for everyone, then there ofcourse is going to be the opposite group that want's to fuck shit up for everyone except for themselves, and ofcourse they will try and do it in secret

    Gerhard Adam
    ...then there ofcourse is going to be the opposite group that want's to fuck shit up for everyone except for themselves, and ofcourse they will try and do it in secret.
    News Flash!  Just turn on the TV ... they're not screwing it up in secret.
    Mundus vult decipi
    "the Bilderberg Group is more of a dinner club " I can't believe people out there still think that heads of global organizations and people in government are meeting up just to shoot the shit with each other

    A dinner club with a small army armed with sub-machine guns? What are they eating?

    Hank
    If I got together with 150 other Science 2.0 people I'd have armed guards too.    Scientific American and Nature would love to take out the only successful independent science site out there with one easy bomb.

    Do world leaders go anywhere without security?   If you've seen the radicals and kooks that protest every meeting of the G-8 you know why they have armed guards.
    Gerhard Adam
    If I got together with 150 other Science 2.0 people I'd have armed guards too.
    Hey, I've seen your Army photo ... we'd be a veritable Delta Force :)
    Mundus vult decipi
    Hank
    I was an officer.   We didn't actually know how to do anything.  But NCOs were kind enough to show us while pretending they were taking orders.
    Gerhard Adam
    That's what I mean ... you were an officer, I got out as a staff NCO. 
    Mundus vult decipi
    It's easier to blame shadowy wealthy conspiracy groups than to put in the effort to get eduated and find employment above one's current socio-economic standing.

    If you try and fail, you have yourself to blame - but if you never try, not only do you not fail, you can then blame the upper classes for conspiring to keep you down.

    a conspiracy, as vague and inconsistent, is at least something people can point to to explain why they are poor and powerless and justify not trying to change anything.

    Aitch
    Nothing going on, obviously [sarcasm]





    Secret societies aren't really secret.....people just refuse to see what's going on!

    Aitch
    rholley
    Precisely.

    And episode 3 is even more shocking!
    Robert H. Olley / Quondam Physics Department / University of Reading / England
    All that being said, there is another reason why secret societies taking over the world do not exist. If there are more than one secret society bent on world domination, they would have to wage war on each other because there can be only one dominant secret society. The next reason is to be ruler of the world, one has to erase all competition, thus destroying all the members of that secret society. Self implosion. As Skeletor from HeMan use to say, "Taking over the universe is easy, trying to get someone to manage it for you, THAT'S HARD!"

    So what you are saying is that people believe in powerful secret societies that meet to influence government policies. I didn't know this was a secret seems to go on perfectly well in public.

    People believe in these sorts of things because they're own lives are so devoid of interest that they have to create something that makes them seem to be 'in the know' and gives them a sense of seniority over the non-believer and also an excuse for the miserable state of thier lives. Don't blame me, blame the man!

    go to infowars.com and listen to alex jones's radio show.... and read some of his news articles...

    That or the National Enquirer...

    Wow, I cannot believe how ignorant this writer is. People wake up - you don't have long. Please read the following and make viral around the world -translate in all languages. http://www.opednews.com/Diary/The-War-For-The-West-Nati-by-Saman-Mohamma...
    To the rest of the world - many everyday Americans and Western Europeans are trying to awaken those of thus that still sleep. We know that there are traitors around the world to humanity. Treason to their own people.

    Gerhard Adam
    ... I think you've provided an excellent example for this article...
    Mundus vult decipi
    ‘OK, here’s what we’ve got: the Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the (outer space) saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires, are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner. We’re through the looking glass, here, people.’

    Hank
    I miss "The Simpsons".  Oh wait, they're still on.  I mean I miss "The Simpsons" when they were good.
    Gerhard Adam
    reverse vampires ...
    Who are under the direct orders of the Galactic Council!   Sheesh ... shows what you know.
    Mundus vult decipi
    OK, if there is an group of people who control the worlds money supply and are taking over, where do I sign up?

    Aitch
    If you pay taxes.....you already did!

    Aitch
    I think that secret societies is not my business. It is their business. Why are people so nosy about it? I do not care and I do not want to know about it. It is their personal. I do not want to know. Hm.. No, my gosh. It is their private and very and very personal. So, every one is free as the constitution of America says, freedom of speech and freedom of religion. So, I do not want to know and I do not care.

    I also wish a cartoon to watch, in the morning

    Hank and Gerhard, you are both being extremely ignorant to the global political stage our world plays upon. You are the ones taking the easy way out, clumping together people who take the time to understand these somewhat complicated connections into one group of conspiracy theorists, as if everyone who talks about this stuff is somehow incredible.

    I will wait to see if either of you comment back. If you do, I will attempt to educate you further as it seems you simply do no understand the subject of global control and the sphere of influence some groups and individuals possess. As you are both obviously smart people, I really am wondering why you are both being somewhat ignorant about this subject - and I would like to have a conversation/debate about it with either one of you.
    You both exhibit the behavior of the skeptic who is afraid to understand or accept just how twisted and fake the world is/ has become. There is much to said about the psychology of people who grasp for conspiracies and maintain helplessness while blaming it on "them", but there is equally as much to be said about people who deny the situation outright, thinking we all could be rich, powerful, and solve these problems individually if we so pleased.

    Gerhard Adam
    Not at all.  I know precisely how twisted the world can be, including its economic and political leaders.  What I don't accept is the notion that somehow this is a conspiracy in any sense of the word.  These power plays have been going on since humans first elected to congregate together in a city-state.  There's nothing secretive about it.

    There's also no question that those with power will do their utmost to retain it, as well as those with economic influence and have the financial wherewithal to influence [or control] outcomes.

    Again, there's nothing conspiratorial about this.  As I said previously, the issue of conspiracy theories is that it (1) allows people to avoid responsibility for their choices by creating a belief that there are powers beyond their control at work, and (2)  fostering a sense of helplessness at what takes place in the world.

    We can't all be rich, and anyone with a modicum of practical sense will recognize that the world will never achieve a comparable standard of living.  The resources simply aren't there.  There will never be an idealized city-state where by all individuals live peacefully and equitably.  There is no utopia.

    So, the problem is what it has always been.  However, there are also far too many people that are willing to sell their souls in the hopes that they may join the ranks of the "elite" or "aristocracy".  The fact that this would never occur, isn't viewed as an obstacle to "believers".  Similarly, people like things the way they are.

    It's no coincidence that my favorite saying is:

    "Mundus vult decipi"
    Mundus vult decipi
    I hear everyone saying that there are no conspiracies...but call it what you like...We have...

    Lies and deception and corruption in every corridor of power...and this is not admitted or published by them infact it is fiercly denied...so is that not secretive???

    We go to war to free the downtrodden? Get real...Oil, Opium, gold , defence contracts...and pure power are the REAL reasons...this is not new ...the greedy rich have done this since time began...and we pay for it !!!

    The CIA will get into bed with terrorists one day to do their dirty work and the next day they will be publishing pictures of the same men as "enemies of the state" ....Black OPs and propaganda...all deception.

    Freemasons...skull and bones...secret societies or rich kids clubs...call it what you like...

    Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely...do you think that the "global elite" do business above board...of course not ...they will sell their own children to make a buck . I have seen lies and corruption from senior managers within local authorities never mind your oil, gold, drugs etc...GET REAL PEOPLE...How do the SUPER RICH get to be so wealthy...ask yourself??

    The USA believe they are God's chosen? Ha ha that's funny...Policing the world in God's name? No that's the mindwarp they tell you to get you to go along with their twisted obsession with power and greed and they have NO conscience. Most of what you are told is probably a lie.

    If you do some REAL research you will see that the Freemasons are everywhere and their symbology is everywhere too and this has come from ancient Egypt and probably before then too.

    People are like sheep and they don't want the responsibility of knowing that this is real. It doesn't matter what you call it ...it is there to see in plain sight and if you are not blind...

    Gerhard Adam
    LOL, you obviously don't get it.  If YOU know about it, then it isn't very secret, is it?  These aren't conspiracies.  This is the way people with power have operated since the first city-state came into existence.  Nothing conspiratorial about it.
    Lies and deception and corruption in every corridor of power...and this is not admitted or published by them...
    They may be liars and corrupt, but they aren't stupid.  Who would admit to such a position?  would you?
    We go to war to free the downtrodden?
    Who believes that?
    The CIA will get into bed with terrorists one day to do their dirty work and the next day they will be publishing pictures of the same men as "enemies of the state" ....Black OPs and propaganda...all deception.
    Again, not very deceptive if you know about it.  However, since when did anyone ever believe that the CIA was an altruistic organization?  Since when did anyone ever believe that governments were only interested in other people's well-being instead of advancing their own interests?  In fact, most presidents are quite explicit in talking about American interests, so it is hardly a surprise that such alliances form and are dissipated as quickly when it is expedient.

    Despite your claim about freemasonry, you haven't said anything about what they are supposedly secretive about, unless it's just to promote their symbology around the world.  That would only make them a super-graffiti organization.

    You haven't said anything that hasn't been known by almost everyone that you might care to ask.  So, how does this represent a conspiracy?  It's well known and unless you're exceptionally naive, you should know better than to expect different behaviors from people looking to exploit their advantages.
    Mundus vult decipi
    No...YOU obviously don't get it ..

    If they don't admit to the multitudes of wrong doing, Manipulation and corruption that YOU agree they do ...and it is all done by deception of the common person under the pretence of something else (which you also agree with) ...then it is a fucking conspiracy!!! Duh

    For your info the definition of a conspiracy is ...

    "an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act."

    You don't think this happens every second of every day??? Hilarious!!

    Were the weapons of mass destruction just a good ol' honest mistake or was it mass deception? A: Mass Deception

    Was your president honest about that???

    Was Bush honest about how he got into power in the first place...are they honest about the heroin coming out of Afghanistan or the oil out of Iraq or the 100s of thousands of Iraqui civililians they have massacared in the name of liberating them ...were they honest about anything?

    You come across as being smug in some quirky play on words that "if I know about it then it's not a secret" and I've heard this crap before but stop protecting the scum who one day will take all of your rights from you and have you and your children in FEMA camps. They won't be happy with just brown people around the world ...or the blacks in New Orleans...they'll be roundin up a posse and coming for you cowboys next. They are the 1% and you aren't...you don't matter to them...AT ALL!!!

    They manipulate the masses through propaganda and deception and this you agree to but you would rather argue the toss with me about whether it should be called a conspiracy??

    Get real and wake up and smell the bullshit they are serving up for you in a TV dinner tonight in the good ol US of A

    Yee...haa cowboy!

    Gerhard Adam
    If they don't admit to the multitudes of wrong doing..
    ... and you would?  Are you telling me you've never done anything wrong and that if you did you confessed it to everyone?  If you're telling me that then I'll call you a liar.  If you didn't do that, then you're exactly like them.  Perhaps you're arguing that they should be held to a higher standard than you are?

    Your definition of conspiracy is taken from criminal law.  However, it also means:
    "make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act"
    However, that definition presents a problem, since it presumes that the act of conspiring is to engage in an "unlawful" or "harmful" act.  Yet, who establishes the law?  The fact is that the American Revolution [as one example] was based on a conspiracy. 

    The one element that is fundamental to this is secrecy, which your examples clearly refute [otherwise you wouldn't know about them]. 
    You don't think this happens every second of every day??? Hilarious!!
    Do I think what happens every day?  Do I think that human beings can be dishonest and self-serving?  Do you think I would trust YOU to behave any differently than those you're accusing?
    You come across as being smug in some quirky play on words that "if I know about it then it's not a secret" and I've heard this crap before but stop protecting the scum who one day will take all of your rights from you and have you and your children in FEMA camps. They won't be happy with just brown people around the world ...or the blacks in New Orleans...they'll be roundin up a posse and coming for you cowboys next.
    Sure they will.  I'm not protecting anyone.  In fact, my whole basis in life is to NOT trust those that tell me fairy tales [including people like you that want to pretend as if YOU know].

    Your hysterical rants don't convey any useful information.  If you truly felt that way, then you'd already be "conspiring" to overthrow the existing government [and then you would be guilty of a conspiracy].  However, that presents an interesting problem, because if you were doing that, then you'd have to admit that YOU want to become THEM.  Interesting dilemma, isn't it?

    .... and that is something that has been historically demonstrated over and over again.  It is so common that even the Who had a song about it; "Won't Get Fooled Again".
    Get real and wake up and smell the bullshit they are serving up for you in a TV dinner tonight in the good ol US of A
    I smell the bullshit alright.  Both YOURS and THEIRS.  Then again, talk has always been cheap.
    Mundus vult decipi
    I refer you to the first person's response to the original post above

    "You have got to be brain dead! Simple and plain, those with money and power get together to plan ways to keep their money and power, and or grow their money and power. To think otherwise makes you a complete asswipe. Do you think they are plotting ways to improve your life? Numbskull!

    MWB (not verified) | 06/08/11 | 21:19 PM

    Those with money and power are not meeting to discus ways to improve your simple minded life...they are meeting to discuss ways to protect, and expand their money and power. To think otherwise is idiotic. Grow up."

    Gerhard Adam
    ...they are meeting to discuss ways to protect, and expand their money and power.
    The mere fact that you would find this shocking or worthy of conspiracy explains who the idiot is here.  The sad part about it, is that you would be sitting there with them if you had the chance and yet you rail against it as if you are somehow different.  How truly pathetic.
    Mundus vult decipi
    ...actually I would never sit with them and join in what they do let alone want to be like them. Maybe YOU do.

    I work with children protecting them them from the wrong doers of this world and everyday I fight for justice and the rights of the vulnerable of this world. I have done this for 25 years.

    You obviously agree that all of this nasty stuff goes on in the world but yet you and your brokeback mountan friend seem to condone and justify why it exists. If this is the world you accept then you shall have it.

    I have no more time to waste on you both.

    Hank
    you and your brokeback mountan friend seem to condone and justify why it exists. If this is the world you accept then you shall have it. I have no more time to waste on you both.
    He'll be back  He cain't quit you.
    Gerhard Adam
    Good.  Then stop wasting our time.
    If this is the world you accept then you shall have it.
    ... and what are you doing about it besides whining?  Oh yeah, you'd rather hurl insults and smart-ass comments to demonstrate how much better a person you are to the ones you're criticizing.  Yeah ... you're way different.
    Mundus vult decipi
    Hank
    Were the weapons of mass destruction just a good ol' honest mistake or was it mass deception? A: Mass Deception
    You do realize this was what Saddam Hussein claimed he had, right?  And that he intentionally bought components in order to look like he had built destructive weapons?  And that French and German intelligence warned the US that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and thus should not provoke them? They knew, or thought they knew, because they sold them the stuff in violation of the UN agreement.

    You're confusing a conspiracy with shocking stupidity on the part of a mid-east dictator who thought that all US presidents, like all mid-east dictators, are the same.  They are not - he thought it would be a deterrent, like it would have been with Pres. Clinton, and all Bush heard was the chance of a nuclear bomb and it was on.

    You're now using revisionist conspiracy theory history to contend that conspiracies are common and only you see them.  Only you see them because you are a paranoid kook.
    Paranoid...coming from an american?

    Now that really IS funny (sure you don't think I'm a terrorist or a communist??)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5lByw7kvS0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai6LhnW4Oa8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSBTRSUIFY4&feature=related

    Enjoy

    Hank
    I don't understand your point.  I am clearly not paranoid and you clearly are - yet you seem to think it is a defining characteristic of 300 million people you don't know except conspiracy websites you read.  So you are both paranoid and clueless about how brains and culture actually work.
    yeah..whatever

    Hank and Gerhard ...you are both total dicks!!!

    Hank
    This is an elitist meritocracy - pick one of us or the other or we will continue trying to outdo each other.  But before you decide, have you met Sascha and Lubos? They won't like being left out.
    Gerhard Adam
    I suppose "total" is better than "partial".  I always love the poster that just wants to hurl insults without offering any reason they're offended.  On second thought, I don't care why they're offended. 
    Mundus vult decipi