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    Energy self reliance, why make your own wind generators?
    By Tree Thunderchild | March 18th 2010 10:27 AM | 6 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    The US average wind speed is 12.5 mph.
    If you double the wind speed you increase power potential by times 8.
    If you double the diameter of your blades increase power potential by times 4.
     Last check on current average market prices I'd put solar at $10 (USD) per watt, wind at $1 per watt (if you buy rather than build, this is about why you should build).
     Those are some of the standard basics of wind electric generation.
     If I felt photovoltaic (aside from just assembly) was something I could build at home I'd likely write about that.Some background to the author of this blog:

     I've been making my own power from wind, sun, and petroleum for around 35 years, using gas powered generators (typically, lawn mowers hooked up to car alternators) as backups to keep my batteries from staying at a discharged state, though if I lived 'on the grid' I'd likely have had a 12 volt battery charger to do that with.
     My father taught flight school, I'm built around 400 RC (radio controlled) airplanes, basically I've got some experience with airfoils, designing them, building them, and putting them to the test.
     It was not hard for me to 'change gears' here from building RC planes to do the same with wind generators as a 'hobby'. But if you want a 25 Kilowatt turbine, I'm not the guy you want to talk to.
     For the past 1.5 years, 90% of my power has come from 2 wind generators (the other 10% is solar) one wind generator with around a 5 foot blade diameter, the other is around 4 foot diameter. I have 3 others I took down and am still making modifications to before I put back up into the air. And even without those running, I have not had to start my gas backup generator in 1.5 years.
     
     Some warnings:
     Even a AA size flashlight battery, if short circuited, can cause a fire (study and LEARN about what your doing before you make even your first attempt at wind/electric power).
     Blade tip speed can be quite fast, nice to look at in the air, but if you break a blade in high winds, it is like having a razor sharp sword, flying at you at that same speed. One warning on that is if you see any vibration going on, shut it down, and at a minimum, rebalanced your blades again.
     
     The above is one of the reasons why I recommend smaller wind turbines, the greater your diameter, the greater the force if your blades loose balance.
     Another reason, is if you have many small ones instead of one monster size one, if you do have a problem, if you only have one wind generator your out of power until you get it fixed.
     Smaller ones are also less expensive, take less time and I've never had a bird fly into the spinning blades (not once, that I know of, in around 35 years, not just easier on the birds, but on the blades too!).
     
     Now, why would I want to promote this?
     If 100 people were to design and build their own wind generators, we will have the potential for innovation to result. If 1000 people design and build their own wind generators, we increase the rate these new innovations may be discovered.
     Another reason for self reliance (instead of buying power from someone with a huge wind generator?)
     In my area we have some of (if not 'the') highest electric rates in the nation, I lived in town for a couple of years, my electric bill around $400 a month.
     $400 times 12 months, times 35 years = $168,000.00 USD. (a more detailed analysis provided me with closer to $148,000 for my actual savings).
     This $ was not spent sending it every month to a large corporation. Instead, it was spent in my local community buying 'things' and 'goods' and 'services' made or grown or done, by 'people' = more jobs improving my local economy.
     
     Some basics:
    If you pass a magnet close and fast, over a coil of insulated wire, with both ends of that wire connected to a volt meter, you can see the needle (if the kind that uses one) move, going both in the + and - direction (alternating current).
     A diode, is something that acts like a trap, by only letting the flow go in one direction, this then provides direct current. For more information on how this works http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diode_bridge
     There are plenty of places also you can go to see others who have built their own wind electric generation system (try and start out with toy or very small and simple examples first) and I've found http://www.instructables.com/ to be a good place with many different examples of DIY (Do It Yourself) wind generators.
     One item I would like to stress, is to try to get into this with as little if not $0.00 money invested.
    We have an abundance of materials already on the surface of planet earth, so to minimize impact a good place to start looking for materials could be as close as your own trash can.
     As an example, parts I've gotten from the local town dump:
    a 3 foot pvc pipe 6 inches in diameter, cut lengthwise in half, then quartered then cut those sections to make turbine blades, mounted to a circular saw blade, mounted to a car alternator with the electro magnet removed and replaced with magnets from a microwave oven = free power.

     Another item I'd like to stress due to experience. Rather than trying to get a ton of power from a small wind generator consider the advantage of NOT going after that.
     If the US average wind speed is 12.5 mph, then to target building a wind generator for 7 mph, while it may not give much power output, that would be power your NOT getting, if your turbine only starts producing 12+ volts at 28 mph. Basically, the greater your power input, the higher wind speed your going to need before you get it (for the same size blades) or, the more 'force' is require to get it spinning, to much force required to produce high power and your blades will need more force against them to reach that objective.
     There can be a lot of "hours" of incoming power that you would not otherwise get. And when you have an extended time of low wind, no sun, that can make a huge difference at being "able" to put power back into your batteries, rather that staying at a low state of charge (not good for them!).
     If I only get 1 amp of power from a small wind generator at low wind speeds, fine, what happens when I have 10 or more of these in the air?
     Some more math, you can increase your voltage at a set rpm (how fast the magnets pass over the coils) if you increase the number of turns of wire in each coil, but you also then increase the distance of the outer part of the coil, from the magnet. The closer your magnet to the coil the greater the power output. You can also increase your power by increasing the strength of your magnets used.
     But again, increase it to much, and your going to need higher wind speeds.
     Also, keep in mind while you build, what is going to happen if the winds exceed 50 mph.
     The time to take that into consideration, is not when the wind is that speed. Working on a wind generator while it is up, and the wind is blowing, is a recipe for disaster (the kind body parts are severed).

     Even driving a car is dangerous, if you don't first know what your doing, and what to do, and not to do, so before even making your first attempt, read up on it!
     The scientific community tends to be one that shares what we have learned, utilize that!
    But dont just build you wind generators for power or $ reasons, try getting into it just for the FUN of it!
     Some people build their own telescopes, their own RC airplanes, try considering this as a hobby, where even a 1 foot diameter turbine could power an outside LED lighting system.
     The main reason for encouraging this hobby, is innovation.
     The more of us doing this, the faster we are going to come up with new innovative ideas that we can then share with others.
     You never know, if you could be the one that comes up with something, the whole world could benefit from, until you give it a try.
     Start small, but start.

     Another item:
     When the wind is howling here in Alaska in the winter, and my batteries are topped off, and all my lights are on?
     I disconnect one or more of my wind generators from the battery, and directly wire it to a heater element! (I turn the bitter winter winds, into HEAT).
     You don't need fancy equipment, to experiment and have fun, but I highly advise you investigate this first before you even start, so you have a good understanding of not just how to build one, but why it is working, what it is doing, and how to do so, practicing good safety.
     So while there are many reasons to get into wind power, like reducing carbon emissions, saving some $, there is also the part about this that is learning the science and having some FUN!
     Though I do have to admit, when there are power outages in my area (often related to storms), having my lights ON (selfreliance and independance) while every one else is without power, is kind of fun too (not that I dont feel bad for them).
     Enjoy!
     And I hope I've been able to provide some good thought provoking insight into the science that is blowing in the wind.
     Tree

    Comments

    Hank
    Wind averages don't mean anything, it just means some areas have 24 and some have 0.  I live right near an area in California where proponents insisted wind power would be profitable 'in 5 years' but 25 years later it is $15 billion in the red despite plenty of wind - the costs for maintenance are enormous and were underestimated and the savings were overestimated.  It's terrific that you can make it work but the landscape blight to make it work on a massive scale would be unacceptable to nearly everyone.  Ditto with solar energy.

    There are obviously better alternatives than fossil fuels and we will find them but ancient ideas like wind and biofuels - or solar panels and 35,000 miles of additional power lines in someone's backyards - need to go the way of the trolleycar.
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    Tree
    When looking at commercially available wind turbines, most are rated for a wind speed of around 28 mph. This makes them rated for higher than US average wind speeds, and a wind speed I dont often get at my location. SO, if I target the lower wind speeds, the total number of hours I'm getting power, is greater than the total power I'd get if I only targeted higher wind speeds. (if it produces power at 7mph, its still producing power at 28 mph, but if I target 28 mph, I could be loosing a hundred hours of power input waiting for it to reach 28 mph, my overall power input is greater if I target lower wind speeds).
     Smaller turbines can fit on rooftops, and dont cost $15 billion, but I dont think wind or solar are the 'only' options nor the only ones that should be explored, only that if you got it, may as well try and use it.
     Even if a universal application comes up for home power, I'd still be flying my wind generators so I could get what they provide. Its not so much with me, looking for that one answer, that one solution, but tapping into as many as I can for a diverse power income.
      Wind is a good example, because it is something most everyone can play with, again just looking at it more from the experimental, hobby standpoint, to help with innovation. That I make most of my power most of my life this way, sort of an added extra bonus. Having all my power needs covered, I'm still experimenting and building, but not due to necessity, but just for pure fun.
    Hank
    I think all experiments with energy can be fun.  A stack of pennies and some vinegar can delight my kids by making a light come on and we can power an iPod using a literal Apple (how delightfully droll, eh??) but small test cases lead people to incorrectly think it can work on the large scale, much like me creating a giant ant could help me think I can take over the world - yet what works for tiny ants won't work for big ones.

    I am not sure any more than diodes will resonate with my kids.  If we launch a rocket, they get to pretend to be an astronaut.    A mini plane means being a pilot.   Building a windmill means being a highly paid energy company CEO or a highly-paid Al Gore, neither of which sounds all that great to me, much less my kids.
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    Tree
    I think experiments with all manner of things can be fun (and part of the idea), but its also the educational process of learning, like learning about the math of rockets, angles of trajectory, learning how high you got it, aerodynamics...
     With an ancient technology like wind vs solar, it helps people learn things like 3 phase (or multi phase) power, in addition to diodes.
     Its part also to me on the self reliance standpoint, where many people are familiar with how to use power yet few seem to know even the basics about how to produce it.
     I think powering an apple with an apple sounds fun (not practical, but much is learned in the process of having fun), I remember how delighted I was, miles from any power lines, when I first used solar panels to make ice when it was 90 degrees Fahrenheit outside my tipi.
     I'm just into 'learning' I love it, I love science, exploring things I'd never thought of before, trying new things, getting hands on understanding even on a small scale of how things work, and the more science I learn,  the more I can improve how I live a self reliant lifestyle.
     Most people think in terms of living in semi-remote Alaska or miles from a road as 'primitive' that can be if people buy into that steriotype, but I'm to much into technology, and science and like my ice cubes from sunlight, and heaters cranking out using a blizzard. Science helps me live better, and the more I learn, the better my way of life gets.
    Aitch
    Hi Tree

    You've obviously got further than me on the energy self reliance front, though I have built a few different wind gennys

    After struggling with blades snapping and out of balance rotors on a couple of designs, using small permanent magnet motors, wrecking the motor bearings along the way, I opted for a vertical rotor design, which was actually surprisingly good in low winds, less than 5 m/s. I ran rectified, but unregulated outputs to the battery area, and used a combination of water heater dump loads, and solar charge controller circuit I got off the web, using 3 stage charging; 1-bulk amps, 2-boost leveling, and 3-float, with the extra power fed to the water heater in float mode [kept 35 galls of water warm enough to wash in, on its own!]
    The whole setup needed human monitoring, though, as it went a bit berserk in high winds producing over 100volts from a 36v motorgen!!

    Golf cart or scooter motors make good genny devices
    For LED outside lights try old printer pulse, or stepper motors, just rectify each of 4 o/p coils

    One of the things about generating your own power is, it makes you far more conscious of why you are going to use energy, and how long for - economy of scale - land is very useful

    Battery technology is now much more advanced, and I've seen some really bad advice about batteries. To me a high % of design strategy should be put to both type and location of batteries for long term reliability, once some calculations have been made
    I agree with multiple generators!....but prefer one common Battery Bank setup, with good wiring/switching/fuses etc. Just because it's low voltage, no reason it can't be tidy and safe!

    I am due to go over to mid Italy this year to help a friend with a property he's just acquired, and do some self-reliance stuff, from wind genny, solar, water heating, bio-loo, and runoff water treatment....should be fun

    @Hank - I think these huge wind farms are the wrong approach...local generation is better
    Why the heck we waste so much power on 'transmission losses' is quite beyond me

    Aitch
    Tree
    I've got boxes full of stepper motors I pull out of discarded printers, I get diodes from the plug-in type adapters, but also add into the mix zener diodes (to not over charge nicad batteries).
     I also got some of those treadmill motors, but those use brushes and that sounds like to much maintainance and risk of frying the coils in high winds.
     Verticle axis designs are cool, I've got some plans still formulating in my head on those, and in reading up on others using them, I'm going to have to watch for stablity in high winds but still look forward to experimenting (safely!).
     I've made a few methane digesters (bio fuel :) since I have a horse, I figure I want to get more mileage out of him than riding him, and yet to figure out a safe way to use 1 horse power to turn a generator.
     I am a strong advocate in self reliance though, even though working a full time job, from the economic standpoint of what that means on an individual level of putting that green stuff ($) back into the economy.
     That is also a reason for not being to keen on huge wind generators, cuz your still paying it out to a large corporation every month for you power and kind of defeats the purpose of doing this for mutual economic gain in my communities economy.
     
     One thing I did regarding modifying an Air 403 (for example) was bypass the brain box inside (charge controller regulator rectifier) and run it 3 phase down the pole to my own electronics including rectifier right at the battery bank. Its an easy alteration because of the 3 brushed contacts for the yaw rotation, but one of the main reasons besides it shutting down when it detected higher voltage in the main power-line from the other wind generators, is the cost.
     Instead of running heavy copper cables for power transmission (and still getting to much voltage drop) I can get away with using an extension cord.
      Otherwise the cost of installation (that heavy copper cable costs $) can exceed the cost of the wind generator!
      I'm all for the advances made in power "use" too. This laptop uses a whole lot less than my 25 year old IBM's or tower type computers, and I use LED of the kind used on the space station for my power, one of them is about the same as a 40 watt incandescent bulb, but takes just under 1 watt.
      
     I think maybe the huge wind farms (like all else) have their place, like for providing power to places like cities where tight space housing isn't well conductive to self reliant power generation, anything to help lower the amount of mercury I'm getting in my fish would meet my approval so long as it does not add more to the nuclear waist issue or worse that what I've already got to live with.
     
     It seems, like in our push for progress, while we have learned the benefits of being specialists, the trade off of loosing the ability to be self reliant, and know how to take care of our own basic needs, seems a bit heavy regarding the insecurity people face of having to depend on others for the basic survival needs. I like my independence, and will loose it when I'm to old to take care of myself, but until then, I'll fight tooth and nail for any ways I can improve how I live as self reliant as I can, with less work.
     When I'm older, then I'll have to pay others to take care of me, til then? I'm still learning and still growing, and having a blast at the same time!
     Looking forward to hearing of your experiences in Italy! I have a few online friends there who have some issues with the political atmosphere there regarding solar and wind, I'd like to hear/learn more from your experiences.
     Tree