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    Hilarious Putnam, please shut up
    By Sascha Vongehr | September 9th 2010 08:32 AM | 13 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    Dr. Sascha Vongehr [风洒沙] studied phil/math/chem/phys in Germany, obtained a BSc in theoretical physics (electro-mag) & MSc (stringtheory)...

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    Bruno Latour (*1947) is a social constructionist or constructivist. If you know the difference, it is a sign indicating that you have wasted time studying useless stuff. Around 2004, he finally got partially enlightened and started to question his previous position on which he constructed (pun intended) his career. From ["Why Has Critique Run out of Steam? From Matters of Fact to Matters of Concern." Critical Inquiry 30,(2) 225-248 (2004)]:

    "Was I wrong to participate in the invention of this field known as science studies?"

    He answers “yes” and goes home. No no, he writes many pages that are, compared to pre-2004-Latour, relatively insightful.

    He has this in common with Hilary Whitehall Putnam (*1926), who is also in the field of “philosophy of science”, which is officially my own field now, however, I am far from identifying. In [“A philosopher looks at quantum mechanics (again).” British Journal for the Philosophy of Science 56, 615-634 (2005)], this guy also admits to a pretty bad mistake, basically that he did not understand some basic quantum mechanics (QM) – something simple in QM that people who actually worked on it tried to explain to him without success. However, you won’t read “Sorry, my bad, I abdicate to smarter people who did not waste your time.” Instead he treats us to yet another paper telling us more rubbish about QM, a topic that he just doesn’t get and is too silly to ever grasp.

    Naturally, all this never stops a high impact factor journal from publishing yet another salvo, just to ensure that those who actually could write something interesting have yet one chance less to publish and maybe get careers going that may even be deserved for a refreshing change.

    In philosophy of language, Putnam stands for “semantic externalism”, a ridiculous position entertaining thought experiments like “Twin Earth” and Donald Davidson's “Swamp Man” – all worthwhile thought experiments that however support the exact opposite conclusions. Putnam argued against brains in a vat because if any brain stated "I am a brain in a vat", it would always be stating a falsehood. It is stupid beyond description because we have all been brains in vats all along anyways. Putnam, our heads ARE vats for our brains, you dummy!


     





















    Above: Hilarious Putnam, your usual Harvard humanities twat




    Straw-man: “You misunderstood, it is more profound, about semiotic semantics! You need to understand his perspective from a pre-post-modern meta-epistemic point of view with a slight angle towards neo-Buddhist ontological commitment in a semi-Kantian sense, but not too much!”

    Sock-puppet: “Congratulations, Straw-man, you may join the club and jump on the train to nowhere full of mediocre idiots in academia who let big farts get away with having their position make them immune against reason and criticism, because that is their only way to also have their own careers. Everybody else not already semi-famous would be asked to go attend a freshman
    writing class first before squeezing out semi solids that apparently never mean what they meant to say. He said that we cannot be brains in vats! Yes he did! We are brains in vats! Conclusion: He is a moron! Court is closed!”

    Thank you Sock-puppet. Now don’t get me wrong: It is highly recommendable and very seldom that people admit flaws and change their positions, especially at an advanced age. So I applaud them. But one thing you won’t see: taking the consequences and Shutting Up!

    No no, they go on and on and on and on. If you realize that realism is naïve, you may learn to be less vocal about stuff: more read, less write. However, if a Latour or Putnam has an insight I had when going through puberty, then they make up new words like “internal realism” (read: the very exact opposite of realism, also called harebrained idealism, so you did not actually need a new word), and publish book number thirty something.

    But this is my blog, and here I allow myself to say a little bit of the truth (not much of it of course, it is not a free world). And today it is especially directed towards the oh-so must-be-respected big name Putnam and all morons who look up to him, because I cited him in a grant proposal, just to suck somebody’s extension, as you must if you want to get ahead in academia (or anywhere else in this world (e.g. blogs?)):

    Please, old man, you are only producing sphincter talk for many years now, just finally take the consequences of constantly changing your mind, realize that tomorrow you would just find again
    that what you thought today was also crap, and Shut Up!

    Comments

    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    Love your comment "Bruno Latour (*1947) is a social constructionist or constructivist. If you know the difference, it is a sign indicating that you have wasted time studying useless stuff." So very true for me anyway. I love this blog, very refreshing and therapeutic, I would also love to read the uncensored version in a free world.
    Make love not war
    vongehr
    Thanks for the flowers. I promise however not to take the refreshing bashing route to popularity. This is a science blog, and my difficulty right now is to get people to respond to the scientific content. I cannot grasp why for example the diphenhydramine post did not have anybody interested in philosophy making a comment or asking a question. The related questions are intriguing and I expected at least some interesting reaction. Well, today I tried a little more refreshing writing - somewhat dangerous, so if it does not work, I will go dry again.
    Aitch
    Sascha

    You say you are surprised not to have had anybody interested in philosophy making a comment or asking questions in the diphenhydramine post....

    I thought about it, but thought you would be overwhelmed with requests for recipes....but then, my party and hallucinogens days are over....

    I like the slightly dangerous, if funny, style....but remember....you, too, will become an ol' fart one day....and may get misunderstood, too   wink
    vongehr
    Philosophizing about reality/truth/freak observers and so on in light of the diphenhydramine's effect on truth-checking/labeling modules in our brain has nothing to do with "recipes" or "party days". You must have already "misunderstood" me; guess this indicates I am an old fart.
    Or maybe you just have been an old fart all along. After all, there are plenty of 50 years, 60 or older people experimenting (just like Alexander Shulgin, now 85!), and they know as well as the young ones that such exploration has absolutely nothing to do with parties.
    Aitch
    Yes, you may be an ol' fart, but I'm an ol' fart, for sure......62 and still rolling....

    ....But I've found mind altering substances [trust me, I've done more than my share] don't actually advance one's philosophy/reality/truth/perception or any other kind of dream/vision/mind game stuff you care to label 'self' with
    The point is that for everything I experienced/perceived under the influence of mind alterers, I have needed to find a way, through mind focusing techniques from various yogas, to see if I can achieve or sustain the same results, and whether the experience is a growth or a diversion, on 'the path of life' as it unfolds itself

    Coming here is just....well, fun :-)

    Should we fart in harmony, do you think???

    Aitch
    vongehr
    I hope I was clear enough about that the taking of substances per se does not advance anything and that I was after the discussion about the specific effects. Anyways, I would be quite interested if you were to explain to us in careful, scientific detail, what effects you actually achieved via yoga, and what kind of yoga doesn't really lead anywhere, and what you think it means for brain studies/ psychology, philosophy, and so on. I would be very interested in somebody doing that WITHOUT esoteric nutty stuff. Really, I strongly encourage you to do some articles about that, but please prepare them well, because many have tried, and I have seen nobody succeeding in not sliding fast into spiritual gibberish.
    Aitch
    Trust me, I've thought about it, but the demands for a strongly science oriented audience, put too many constraints on my natural language and expression, and would just be considered too flowery or unverifiable mumbo jumbo

    The thing I learned most about yoga, is that there are as many yoga practices as there are people
    It has to be that way, as yoga is an individual and personal journey. A yoga is a technique, to get you out of your ruts, and into freeflowing and natural spontaneity
    It is the journey to at-one-ment, or as it's usually said atonement. We don't favour use of the word enlightenment in the western culture, though in the East, it is revered
    I think of enlightenment simply as not carrying around those suitcases full of burdens that drain your soul's energy. 'Let go' is the secret of enlightenment.
    It is like tipping the entire contents of everything you have ever believed, known, been fooled into, been taught, inspired by, copied, peer pressured into, experienced, seen, done, thought, understood, doubted, remembered, forgotten, touched, felt, tasted, heard, smelt, sensed, enjoyed, hated, laughed and cried at, feared, hoped, planned, calculated, schemed, plotted, wiled, snared, fought, lost, found, sympathised, empathised, celebrated, mourned, and endured - the whole gamut, [and if you think of something I didn't appear to include, include it!]....from birth to that point, onto the floor in front of yourself, then choosing what you need, as if you were to climb a mountain, so burdens have to go, only essentials are required, but responsibility for the choice is for the first time in your life, only yours to make
    Make it a catharsis, and you will make it well, as if you return the unnecessary, you will maybe need to do it again, hanging by your fingertips and the tips of your toes, on the side of a mountain in a blizzard, in a tee-shirt and shorts, metaphorically speaking, if not in reality
    I cannot tell anyone, how/when/where/why to do something....that IS the journey of discovery that yoga is. To think of it any other way, is to miss the point
    It is not a journey to be tried, and stopped, as having been unsuccessful. There is no giving up. It just is. Either it calls you, or it doesn't
    Some people think they know contentment, but cannot answer that they know they know contentment, and that really is the point of entry.....to know that you know....it cannot be learned from books.....it cannot be 'taught'....it is simply a path, a journey, that a person's core being feels pulled toward home....and cannot deny its incessance....as once you feel its call it is forever with you....but it is ultimately an experience, with its own energy flow, which seems to defy both science and explanation....yet I would not describe it as an easy journey...but that is for me...your journey may be entirely different, so even this is of no use to you and will need to be measured by you, and possibly discarded, also

    What it means for brain studies, psychologists, philosphers, etc?......There's a long way to go to unlearn life

    What have I achieved by yoga?....well I like to think I have learned greater self awareness, discernment, and yes, a level of contentment I didn't have before, and a readiness for anything, kind of mind-state

    ....and I couldn't and wouldn't have it any other way

    That's about as well as I can do, unscientifically speaking........wink

    Aitch
    Bonny Bonobo alias Brat
    Henry, that is the most beautiful description of yoga and the yogic journey that I've ever read. Once I went away on a 5 day, fasting, silent, yoga retreat, at the Funky Forest near Main Arm, NSW, Australia, where we weren't allowed to smile or talk to eachother, every 2 hours we either did yoga for an hour or meditated for an hour. Every 4 hours we were served water, fresh juices and herbal teas. We also weren't allowed to take any reading or writing material, so its fair to say that life was a bit unusual. Anyway, your description above beautifully describes much of how I felt after a couple of days, it was a surprisinlgy, self-enlightening experience that I really enjoyed once I had scrutinised the basics of what I had learnt and cared about in my life and now chose as being most important to me. I also quickly dicovered that I probably have the Scottish famine gene, and unlike everyone else on the retreat who became pale, listless shadows of themselves, flopping around the place looking miserable, after 2 days of fasting I was marching up and down the Funky forest mountain, totally envigorated, probably exhibiting a deep rooted genetic propensity to find something to eat in a famine. Yes, I discovered that food really matters to me!
    Make love not war
    Hank
    I assume people read but, like me, don't have anything constructive to offer so they get a little smarter and keep quiet.   I thought the title was interesting and some controversial tone doesn't hurt, as long as it isn't the raison d'être, like with some bloggers on other sites.   I didn't check the database yet but I am somewhat certain it's the first time anyone got called a 'Harvard humanities twat' so that at least got a chuckle out of me.
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    Hm, you won't get far in philosophy writing like that. I think it's a rule of the field that you have to be polite to even the most ridiculous ideas. But you might enjoy David Stove if you haven't come across him yet.

    I'm personally a fan of Latour. As far as I know, he has not repudiated his earlier stances, just argued that he's been misunderstood.

    vongehr
    "you won't get far in philosophy writing like that"
    By "philosophy" you mean academia? I only have one short life and it is probably more than half over. I will do real science and useful philosophy (yes, there is such) with the rest. You go ahead and "get far"; I will not stop you.

    David Stove surely writes nicely and has a valid ansatz with his neo-positivism trying a "nosology of thoughts". Don't quite agree with a lot of it, but you are right, I do enjoy it. Thanks for presenting us with the link. I recommend it.

    "he has not repudiated ... just argued that he's been misunderstood"
    True, when they "admitted" error, they never actually admitted it fully being their own error. They were of course actually right on a deeper level. You and especially I can be wrong, but Latour or Putnam are at most misunderstood. We misunderstood them.



    Sascha,

    It's your blog, you can do what you want. But Putnam did solve a Hilbert problem. That's pretty big sticks, no matter what you think of his other work. When you've done as much as he has...when anyone has...you're aloud to make some mistakes.

    vongehr
    Dear John, to give Putnam the credit for showing that Hilbert's 10th problem is unsolvable is not fair to Yuri Matiyasevich, who actually did the mathematical work, and to Martin Davis and Julia Robinson, who Putnam helped to show that Yuri’s solution is correct. That credit gets transferred to the biggest fart that happened to be around is the other side of the coin that only small fish may be criticized.
    Sure - if you do a lot, there will be a lot of mistakes - I made plenty mistakes. However, we are confronted with a case of doing very little but silly mistakes in the case of Putnam.