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    By Sascha Vongehr | October 12th 2010 09:17 AM | 10 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
    About Sascha

    Dr. Sascha Vongehr [风洒沙] studied phil/math/chem/phys in Germany, obtained a BSc in theoretical physics (electro-mag) & MSc (stringtheory)...

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    I love good comment sections in blogs: Good questions, different opinions, more examples, constructive criticisms, and so on; all this can help to get a much better picture of the issue at hand. However, having to scroll through loads of junk just to find the one or other interesting comment that may or may not hide in there, now that seriously lessens the value way too often. Therefore, I delete especially long and off topic comments if I deem them of no use to any readers.


    Do I lose readers with such Stalinist attitude and is it not the case that the more comments I have, the longer my member is? Yes of course. And so? Who said I long for enlargement? I am writing for fun, to exercise writing for educated lay people, and to get constructive feedback from the one or the other insightful being that may find me this way. I did not sign up for participating in pseudo-democratic façade painting, giving the masses the feeling that they have a say, that internet somehow gives them the long awaited glorious path to some misconceived freedom instead of being the next evolutionary stratum that will enslave the sub-systems like it usually and quite inevitably happens in any by evolution emerging layer. I am not paid for stabilizing a playground where a certain part of the population may abreact their energies so the real shit can go on undisturbed. I do not fall for your silly charades, Children of the democratic doctrine of freedom without being allowed to ask “free of what?”; I delete and edit – period.


    The following triggers my Troll/Pseudo-science indicator, making me write arrogant stuff like “Pseudo-science indicator lamp status: Dim Yellow / Bright Orange / Incessant Flashing of Deep Red accompanied by a Bell going RING RING RING RRRRRRRIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNGGGGADING !”:


    1) Conspiracy theories [implied ones count, too, like telling us that the Einstein equivalence can be proven "wrong" by simple experiments in an elevator, as if there is some sort of conspiracy hiding this fact and suppressing the information that helps you discovering the truth (in fact, equivalence was never supposed to hold in space-time volumes as big as a real elevator)]


    2) Going off on a tangent without providing the relevance of doing so


    3) Unreasonably looooong comments (useful comments are short and to the point)


    4) No value to me or readers (is there even one point we take home except for that the writer is witty? Especially to those super witty English language artists able to refer cunningly hidden to the latest in video gaming while cleverly misquoting Shakespeare: Oh you are so smooooth - but sorry, this blog is for an international audience; make it so that even my Chinese friends can understand it if they wanted to. Yes, there are some that follow my blog. English is not your language anymore - it is our language now!)


    5) Too much basics that are just totally wrong


    6) Too much stuff that does not make any sense whatsoever (not even wrong, meaningless, just using words that sound good)


    7) Big name dropping (Einstein farted this but Feynman farted that)


    8) Out of context citations


    9) Thinly veiled threats (mostly about stuff that would have at most petty consequences: “write like this and somebody sees your blog and may not give you the slave job you are running away from for the last 20 years” (not literally, but in essence) was the yet funniest, but my blog is young, and surely worse will come)


    10) Look at my official honors, titles, degrees, friends who have been on TV, but actually I am a renegade and do not care about such at all (the funniest yet is a guy who claims that the so called
    H factor is “nothing” but who is also the only one who puts his H factor prominently on his profile)


    11) Sock-puppetry


    12) Unreadable language that tells us: “I do not even care about my own comment anyways.”


    13) Any other plain trolling (passive aggressive trying to derail a discussion just to sit back and watch the masses go at each other)

    14) a lot more, and so on, etc. ...



    So, the next time I edit something, I will just link to this post. This should be enough to ensure that the further removal of any asking along the lines of “why don’t you at least explain to us point for point why you are such a Hitler with this poor so terribly unreasonably marginalized victim” will not come as a surprise.

    Comments

    Hank
    We should have you write the FAQ.    :)

    You make a good point - the downside to journalism is that in the interests of being balanced and given space constraints it sometimes makes opposing viewpoints look equal.   We are not hampered by the desire for faux balance.  Not everyone will agree in science, of course - string model versus standard model is not getting resolved any time soon - but I certainly agree that not all things need to be respected.

    As we have grown, keeping the culture in the right place is harder - we are the only 'open' communication site in science (well, there may be others, but they are tiny) and it's a worthy experiment but it doesn't mean all participants are equal.   Generally, when I see Dirac mumbo-jumbo or laws of thermodynamics violated, I check out.   But the best reason to allow columnists personal moderation is because everyone has different tolerances for comments.   One guy who has written here I know has never read a comment, or responded to one - one columnist never allowed comments on anything she wrote.   Some jump into it and let anything go.   That diversity is terrific.
    Want more no-nonsense, independent science? Buy Science Left Behind
    Every science blogger has their own style. Phil Plait shunts off the oddballs to a special section where they can keep going as long as they make substantive responses. Razib Khan recently asserted his unilateral right to be rude to stupid commenters and called it a kind of psychic subscription fee to be paid by his readers. And Lubos Motl is completely unpredictable, sometimes patiently writing several lengthy pedagogical responses to a clueless commenter, and the next day erupting in volcanic rage.

    To complicate matters further, as lucid as Sascha Vongehr is when writing about physics, his recent political rant on the anniversary of 9/11 was completely unhinged IMHO and would have gotten him thrown off many a blog if posted as a comment.

    vongehr
    "his recent political rant on the anniversary of 9/11 was completely unhinged"

    If you are referring to the lucid recognition of the importance of phallus symbols for great apes like humans, you may just not understand it because of your cultural/political pre-filtering, the selective perception whenever it comes to such sexual or potentially political subjects. I assure you, I put no "political rant" on my blog. Maybe you think asking for science education is political, as it may or may not, in your opinion, increase the support for certain political directions in the long term. If so, I assure you that it is a projection, i.e. you are projecting your own problems onto me, think that I also think in such terms. I don't. It is much easier: I saw the towers, their name, what they stand for, I know humans, therefore I did not set a foot into those buildings, because they were doomed. Much simpler than you think - nothing to do with whether I would vote for Hitler or not.
    Amateur Astronomer
    I have no complaints and been treated very fairly by the writers on Science 2.0. If anyone wants to delete or edit something it’s not problem for me. Any editor of a journal can change the content. So it isn’t a new situation. Hank does a good job at setting the policies, but I think he works at it continually. The writers have taught me a lot about new science and some new ways of looking at old science. I don’t mind being wrong occasionally as long as it leads to a better understanding of the science. Occasionally a line disappears, or a paragraph gets lost. There haven’t been any situations in which the meaning of my comment was changed without a discussion of it first. Public outreach is something new in science, and especially in physics. It’s a good thing, but there is no guide book to tell how far to reach, or what to tolerate.
    vongehr
    Thank you for this comment Jerry. I think we are of the same opinion here, more or less.

    Also, without moderator status, I am not even able to edit (do not know what you refer to when lines disappeared or changed), and although some have indicated such, I have not deleted many of your comments yet, or have I? (I deleted one in the post where you now still have three other comments)

    All I did is to report my personal pseudo-science indicator status, and let me stress again: that was not because of physics at all, but only because of certain signs (indication of conspiracy theories and several other signs in my list) that I am afraid of lead always fast to a total decline of a comment thread.

    If others want to raise the status of some indicators on my comments, that is totally OK with me, too. I deserve at least yellow just for being a philosopher of physics. Green is not possible for any human.

    Your comments and also Q. Rowe's and even blue-green's and Henry's are very welcome (as long as they are not just to provoke, Henry).
    A problem with www.science20.com, is that when you are new, and leave a comment, there is "not verified" coming next to your name; but relatively to some other places, this could mean that the comment is waiting in order to be moderated before to be published; so some persons can think that their comment is not published and that they have to bear excessive moderation. Otherwise www.science20.com is rather good.

    Hank
    'Not verified' just means if you say you are Barack Obama, we have no way to know because you don't have an account here.   In order to be as 'open' as possible we make commenting easy (within reason - spammers and their autobots are clever) but not verified is the distinction.  What would be a better term?

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    To Hank Campbell :
    Possibly instead of "not verified" there could be "but may be someone else". Otherwise thanks for the answer.

    What I don't understand is, why hasn't someone come up with an authentication scheme that will allow people to post under their own names on weblogs and comment boards without the fear that someone else will post b.s. under that name elsewhere?

    It would be a public/private key scheme where every time you comment you enter your private key and then a central repository puts a seal of authenticity next to your name.

    The idea is so primitive that thousands must have had it before me, yet I am not aware of it being in practice. Possibly because there is an offline component in that verification of your name requires that you present proof of identity (driver's license, passport, ...) to a credentialing authority in person.

    If I get censored in accordance with your rules I should concede; and, if I can't accept being thus reasonably rebuffed I'm the ass! ;)