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    By Sascha Vongehr | September 17th 2011 07:56 AM | 29 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    Ask around what fundamental physics is, where the cutting edge of profound, foundational science is investigated, and you will most likely hear the Large Hadron Collider being mentioned, also referred to as Large Hype Constructor (LHC), which tries to find the so called “God particle” and super-symmetry. String theory will also be mentioned. Very few will tell you about comparatively dirt cheap laser labs that explore quantum entanglement.


    What is strange about this? In a certain sense nothing. LHC and high energy particle physics in general are huge budget endeavors* complete with a corresponding PR machine, which is what counts in modern science. Armies of narrow minded technicians and humps-on-bumps chasing statisticians proud of their ignorance about other fields of science fool themselves to be the crème de la crème, believing so because they tell each other so every day. From a physicist’s point of view however, and I mean physicists who know more than just a little subfield, people who are also aware of how physics fits into the bigger picture (and who are last but not least moreover not biased by stake-holding), for them the situation is clearly upside down.


    Girl Bands: Lots of money behind it, lots of people like it, flashy, loud, therefore good music. Logic of modern science?


    What is Fundamental?

    In biology for example, fundamental would be for instance questions concerning basic evolution, say the minimal required complexity of environments that allow emergence of self replicating systems. Whether some long extinct bird had a green or a yellow beak may be important somewhere for some odd reason, but it is hardly foundational. The answer to the former question has important repercussions even far outside of the narrowly defined field of biology, say in astrobiology (where to look for alien life) or in nano-technological design optimization. If fundamental questions are resolved, people also end up changing their views on a deep level. Few have their worldview shattered by a bird’s beak being yellow instead of green.


    Higgs Boson?

    There is little such relevance to the so called God particle**, and this fact is acknowledged even by many who promote high energy physics. That the standard model of particle physics is actually having the Higgs would not tell us whether the standard model is fundamental or plainly an emergent symmetry, the (relatively) low energy behavior of a more fundamental physics inside of which the Higgs particle is plainly a pseudo particle (which it is anyway, but that is another story).


    Physicists and philosophers interested in the very fundaments could not care less about the Higgs. The over enthusiastic high energy particle experimentalists tell you that their work is really important because “the Higgs is what gives the particles mass!” The nature of mass is indeed truly fundamental. However, this reasoning proves that they do not understand the involved physics. Whether the rest mass parameter of fermions inside the standard model is allowed to be nonzero due to the Higgs field breaking the electroweak symmetry (or perhaps even somehow effectively modeled by a Higgs field interaction) tells you nothing about the nature of mass. Mass is inertia against acceleration, the fundamental nature of which is still quite mysterious and the amount of which is overwhelmingly due to Einstein's E = m c2 applied to binding energies that have nothing to do with the Higgs mechanism!


    Super-Symmetry?

    Ask those who claim that LHC research is the most important thing ever in science about what the difference is between super-symmetry (SUSY) being found at the LHC or it not being found there. The answer will astound you, as there is basically no fundamental difference. If SUSY is not found by the LHC, no string theoretician will stop super string theory, although the “super” does indeed refer to super-symmetry. To them, the LHC not finding SUSY equals the bird having a green beak instead of a yellow one, as they will just claim that super-symmetry is at higher energies (and do not be surprised if SUSY is all of a sudden not necessary anymore – long live mathematics.)


    Susy is on the top left; according to string theoreticians more relevant to string theory than whether the LHC finds super-symmetry. I wholeheartedly agree.


    Another thing that should be noted but will not be further discussed here (it is discussed here) is that all the above, whether Higgs or not, SUSY or no SUSY, and many more, are questions were both answers can be true simultaneously although they are mutually exclusive. This should not be the case for truly fundamental questions.

    Without a doubt a Fundamental Question

    Compare the just described to the relatively (compared to the LHC) non-funded exploration of the Diósi-Penrose Criterion.


    “The Dozi-Pen-Bose what???”


    Precisely – people usually don’t even know what that is. Ask random wannabe Einstein’s at the LHC what the Diósi-Penrose Criterion is and you will find that the majority cannot tell you without making gross mistakes of the kind they would ridicule, tar, and feather you for if you had similar misunderstandings about black holes that the LHC may produce, or even just a mistake concerning arbitrary conventions distinguishing 4.8 from 5.1 sigma. (Don’t know what that last one is about? Forget it, it is not fundamental!).


    If we had thrown a fraction of the Large Hay Compiler’s money on exploring the Diósi-Penrose criterion and related fundamental quantum physics, we would possibly know by now whether quantum physics stays linear in truly macroscopic systems or not. This would tell us about rock bottom fundamental physics, as fundamental as you can get, involving the very foundation of existence all the way down (or up, if you wish) to the question of how physics and consciousness fit together***. It would even tell us whether string theory is on the right path, because without so called unitarity in macroscopic systems, string theory as it is pursued today is dead as a fundamental description.


    Image

    So many people involved; must be awesome. (Yes – there are more Western girl bands, I know, but they are not half as pretty.)


    Where is the most Fundamental Physics being done?

    The Higgs being found, as it apparently is now, will hardly change fundamental research. High energy physics theoreticians are famous for ensuring that their theories stay sellable past the experimental sell-by date. Now as the LHC slowly puts SUSY in doubt by excluding more and more parameter space, you can witness them frantically hedging their bets. This is not so much a character flaw, which it is, as it is more importantly an indication of that these questions are not as fundamental as the large-ticket science machinery’s hype insists on.


    Nailing the Diósi-Penrose criterion on the other hand would actually change research quite radically, which proves fundamental relevance, a difference that makes a difference! A gravitationally induced cut-off scale for quantum superposition would change everything, all the way from astrophysics (origin of universe, multiverse structure, black hole physics, role of string theory like proposals), over communication technology (quantum cryptography, quantum computing), to the very question of how to best approach the search for the brain physics supporting the neural correlates of consciousness, since many a ‘quantum-brain’ proposal would fall along with the Diósi-Penrose criterion.***

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    (Update: I should have also discussed the whole shebang about what I wrote in a comment below, namely "Higher energy did translate automatically into more fundamental before we understood things like IR/UV dualities in string theory and black hole physics, where higher energy means a larger event horizon (the opposite of finer resolution). Today, honest physicists will admit that higher energy may just lead to the emergence of more stuff rather than the resolution of an ultimately fundamental scale, which has perhaps been found long ago (namely the interaction quantum)." This would be interesting stuff worth a separate article.)

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    * This article does not call for less science funding. It asks for more resources and attention allocated to foundational, fundamental physics, of which the DP-criterion is one example of neglected questions that could be pursued with a tiny fraction of what is collectively wasted by the high energy particle physics community’s insatiable hunger for world domination.

    ** Stop ranting about the relevance of the Higgs for the standard model and beyond right there – my background is in high energy particle theory, that is where I started and keep working off and on for two decades now – I know the relevance.

    *** I do not believe in quantum magic. Half of the pointy point is that there are researchers who look for something that (sometimes actually is, but often you just misunderstand as) quantum magic, and they would alter or abandon their pursuit if given a particular Diósi-Penrose limit; this is the argument pursued here (and the other half of the pointy point involves fundamental quantum mechanics, which is not exhausted by the scattering matrix).


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    Hank
     To them, the LHC not finding SUSY equals the bird having a green beak instead of a yellow one, as they will just claim that super-symmetry is at higher energies (and do not be surprised if SUSY is all of a sudden not necessary anymore – long live mathematics.)
    It was a vain exercise to note that, during the funding and construction craze, 'what we don't find is important too' was going to be an unsatisfactory justification for $15 billion, and so it was barely a small-print footnote. In addition, it was a vain exercise to note that the International Linear Collider was going to be necessary to truly interpret what they did find if they found something positive.

    Then there is the luminosity fetish this has instilled in the culture, inside physics and out, where it has caused some to believe there is some greater power the thing has that other experiments do not.

    Interesting stuff!
    Want more no-nonsense, independent science? Buy Science Left Behind
    rholley
    Sascha,

    You really ought to know better than to expect people to think!


    Hirngespinst

    Eine runde weiche Sache,
    ist das Hirn bei Frau und Mann,
    und es ist nicht auszudenken,
    was man damit denken kann.
    Aber leider kennen viele
    nicht den Wert dieser Substanz:
    Hilflos gehen sie durchs Leben
    Wie ’ne Katze ohne Schwanz.


    Fantasy

    A round soft thing
    Is the brain in women and men,
    yet quite beyond thinking out are
    all the things that one can think with it.
    But unfortunately many people
    Do not know the value of this substance:
    Helpless, they go through life
    Like a cat without a tail.


    (Heinz Erhardt)

    Robert H. Olley Quondam Physics Department University of Reading England
    vongehr
    Robert, Heinz' largely unrecognized power comes from lines like "nicht auszudenken, was man damit denken kann", and if you translate it with "no telling what one can think with it" instead of maybe "unthinkable what you can think with it", you basically murdered the poor guy. This is about Heinz, so it is very important. ;-)
    rholley
    Sascha,

    The friend who put me on to Heinz Erhardt says some of his things are puzzling even to English people who have lived quite a long time in Germany and are proficient in the language.  Which I am certainly not – with his poems I know I am only scratching the surface, but even so, there is something really catching about them.

    However, I am trying to translate the meaning, and the pun gets lost in the process.  In English, “unthinkable” means something really shocking or awful, as in this paradoxical statement:

    “What he is thinking of doing is quite unthinkable!”

    For the use of “telling”, consider:

    “What sort of rubbish are you reading now?”
    “Since the advent of recycled paper, there’s no telling.”

    Simply taking meaning as meaning, which would you say conveys the meaning better?

    Robert H. Olley Quondam Physics Department University of Reading England
    vongehr
    really catching about them
    Yep, that's why. He isn't really all that deep, more like a word juggler. If it were about deep philosophical points, your translation may be better. But it seems he wanted the "nicht auszudenken" to clash with "denken kann", otherwise he could have used 'nicht auszumalen" or so (because "auszudenken" is actually also in the German language not the word to use here as far as I know.).
    rholley
    I hope the modification I’ve made (above) works.

    Mein Kind, ich hab’es klug gemacht,
    Ich hab’ nie über das Denken gedacht.

         (Goethe)

    Robert H. Olley Quondam Physics Department University of Reading England
    Thanks Sascha, it's refreshing to see a physicist who isn't completely obsessed with BIG SCIENCE, and thinks that we should be exploring other experiments at smaller scales. It's hard to admit that a mega-project is going to become a white elephant, and the usual reaction is to double-down and go even bigger next time. But if LHC can't find the Higgs and SUSY now, then why should it find anything even higher up? I find that if it takes too long for applied science (engineering) to catch up with pure science, then pure science starts to suffer. What we really need now is to find applications for all of the pure science research we've already done. Once we start engineering at the frontiers of pure science, then pure science receives a lot of data that it would not otherwise have, and pure science can then start to push past the boundaries again. Let's find some more daily use out of all of this pure science research we already have.

    Does pure science mean more work on the Carnot Cycle and a closed mind on everything else.
    Quantum is pure science.
    Anything unknown is pure science.
    Sciences reputation is stolen from the greats of the first half of the twentieth century, in the last sixty years because of skepticism of anything outside of known science it has achieved virtually nothing.
    Science is the unknown be that UFO's or consciousness, time to remove closed-minds and progress.

    Hank
    Sure, this seems obvious, so what is the hangup?  No one tells you that you can't think about UFOs or consciousness.   If what you mean is you want to be taxpayer-funded to think about UFOs, you have a different argument.  90% of the mainstream science projects do not get funded and those are things with an evidence basis.  

    If you want to pursue research off the beaten path, do want independent filmmakers do - you go to a lot of people locally and get them to finance small amounts. Dentists, gas station owners, people who believe in your idea.  They don't sit around waiting for a big studio to give them money.  Once you get some recognition for your ideas, you will get the Paul Allen's and Jodie Foster's of the world to help, like SETI did.

    The notion some people have that big ol' science is keeping them from doing research is silly.  The competitors of Science 2.0 have a 150 year head start in building a brand and billions of dollars for marketing.  When Google started, the search engine market was considered dead and they had to go to 50 investors to get someone to believe in them.  It's no different in research.  If someone with an idea does not believe in their work enough to face a lot of rejection, no one else will believe in it either. 
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    Gerhard Adam
    Anything unknown is pure science.
    No, anything unknown is simply unknown.  This is precisely what leads to the absurdities that many people want to engage in.
    Science is the unknown be that UFO's or consciousness, time to remove closed-minds and progress.
    How can UFO's be science?  Yeah, I know .... I'm probably going to be called a "closed minded", but I'm tired of people wanting to toss every childish speculation and think that it warrants serious consideration simply because they enjoy the fantasy.

    It isn't about closed minds.  It's about people that have the sense to postulate hypothesis that are intelligible instead of muttering mystical phrases about what "might be".  Mathematical manipulations are not science.  Wild conjecture is not science.  Science means articulating a problem in such a way that it presents an approach that can be tested.  Too many people think that merely criticizing an existing theory is sufficient to lead credence to alternates. 
    One think I've heard from quite a few theoretical physicists.... The most boring LHC result would be for it to find the Higgs and nothing else. From what I've heard, the LHC is not (completely) about the Higgs. The aim is also to see what happens at those high energies to see if we violate the SM predictions and if we can get some hints from data, since theoretical physics has been pretty much all over the place for decades now, without any clear direction or guidance. For this, we hope to collect data to study Quark-Gluon plasma, some supersymmetric models, possible dark matter candidates, among other things. Unfortunately, not all this is explained to the public and everyone is just caught up with the Higgs. We really hope to find something unexpected or unknown!

    vongehr
    I agree with everything you say here, but the question is not whether LHC is not interesting science, the question is whether it is as important as it is hyped to be to the extend that actually fundamental physics becomes marginalized. LHC is a powerful microscope and we should have a look through it to find out more about the so called "particle zoo"; that is why I gave the examples from biology.
    Higher energy did translate automatically into more fundamental before we understood things like IR/UV dualities in string theory and black hole physics, where higher energy means a larger horizon (the opposite of finer resolution). Today, honest physicists will admit that higher energy may just lead to the emergence of more stuff rather than the resolution of an ultimately fundamental scale, which has perhaps been found long ago (namely the interaction quantum).
    I don't think that "lots of people" like any aspect of modern physics based on quantum field theory or the technical advances needed to experimentally test them. The total number is stil in tens of thousands; then there could be hundreds of thousands or millions who are excited because they've been brainwashed that particle physics or the LHC has something to do with their spiritual or rreligious interests.

    Claiming that e.g. supersymmetry is a populist matter is ludicrous beyond imagination. In a typical country of 10 million people, there may be 20 people who kind of know what SUSY really is. The percentage is close to one part per million. Girl bands my arse.

    vongehr
    Dear Lubos, what point are you trying to make? Who claims SUSY a "populist matter"; one of the comments? SUSY would be an important symmetry, thus belongs definitively to fundamental physics. I addressed misconceptions about what else counts as fundamental physics, especially the fact that some of the even more relevant stuff gets basically no attention, although we could get answers at a fraction of the costs.
    BTW - fundamental physics has relevance for spiritual/religious head cramps. Hence, your pointing out that particle physics in the moment does not have such relevance is supporting my argument.
    this was an interesting read.... well the pretty pictures helped too! I see what you are talking all this time in my department.. all the high energy theorists ever talk about is finding the "God" particle. It's as if there are no other fields of high energy physics...sad really.

    The Stand-Up Physicist
    "The God Particle" was the title of a popular book by Nobel Prize winner Leon Lederman. He wanted to call the book "The Goddamn Particle" because the Higgs boson had already been on the hight energy physics most wanted list for more than a decade. I think that sentiment is shared by physicists today: show up already. "The God Particle" is thus not an accurate label for the HEP community, but is 7000 times more effective as a marketing tool. Hordes of people are interested in God, and if he has a particle, golly, let's go find it! I think Leon's initial intent should be included in a discussion.

    Inaccurate labels abound. That may be what marketing is all about - finding the greatest inaccurate label to compete people's mind space. Take as an example, work on strings. Lots of tough math, some of it elegant. Folks employed in its study know it is not a scientific theory, a means to do many calculations that then have been confirmed by experiment. Call it String Theory used to explain it all, and that carries much more punch. Why not work on everything?

    Carl Sagan didn't say "Billions and billions", until it was repeated enough times he played along with the joke.

    I have not heard of the Diósi-Penrose criterion, I guess I should get out of the basement. It does not yet have a catchy, if inaccurate, slogan. Most Americans have no idea what that thing on the o is called. The only folks who would fund such work would have to be technical review panels. Is such work proceeding? If so great. Does it need more than it is getting? Who doesn't want more money.

    I don't have a great slogan for my own self-funded efforts. Should it ever take off - and I am open to that not happening - I would not be surprised if its slogan was due to a misquote or some other inaccuracy. People work this way. I am glad we do some funding through uber-nerd panels that understand what the Diósi-Penrose criterion happens to be.
    I like both the essay-blog by Sacha and the comments by Doug.
    FYI: Dio'si is pronounced Dee-oo-shi in Hungarian. Literally it means
    "from a village called Walnut", i.e., " Nutty" in common slang. I propose that a deliberate
    inaccurate relabeling that could perhaps help loosen the purse strings of funding agencies and
    excite the popular press is to rename the truly interesting scientific worthwhile proposal
    by Dio'si and Penrose as the "Nutty Professor Effect". Lederman invented a good joke
    with his " God particle" that is now perhaps doomed to damnation at the LHC .
    I agree with Doug that calculated jokes and jingles can help market other branches of science.

    rholley
    I was a bit puzzled over the origin of the name, now it makes sense.

    Köszönöm.
    Robert H. Olley Quondam Physics Department University of Reading England
    The way I heard it (I think Peter Higgs wrote somewhere), Lederman's book editor switched "Goddamn" to "God" for commercial reasons.

    Obviously an astonishingly successful choice.

    Good essay Sascha. Sadly it reminds me again that too much of science is being driven by squeaky wheels instead of addressing the relevant challenges. Those who scream and shout get the attention of the media, which informs the pollies, which informs the funding requests. If the problem were confined to particle physics it might be manageable but I think it points to a much more worrying problem in the modern science culture at large.

    "Physicists and philosophers truly interested into the very fundaments could not care less about the Higgs."

    This is such crap. I suppose you would also have said this about the muon, or the top quark, or just about any particle in the history of physics. Knowing whether or not the standard model Higgs exists is basic information about the world, specifically about the breaking of electroweak symmetry.

    As no-one has yet managed to derive the standard model from any particular apriori construct, knowing the inventory of basic particles and their interactions does constitute absolutely fundamental information about the world. Just because *your* agenda isn't broad enough to be affected by the existence or nonexistence of the Higgs, doesn't mean it's like that for everyone.

    vongehr
    So tell us, which philosophical concept of the same caliber as say local realism (to stay with fundamental quantum physics as a comparison) would fall with the discovery of the Higgs?
    You seem to have fallen for the belief that the Higgs is a "basic particle" (whatever that means) and thus the very foundation. Any hints for that except for that we do not know anything about the underlying theory?
    Presumably we agree that the deepest validated model of reality available is "fields of the standard model (including gravity), interacting quantum mechanically". Are we going to argue about which part is more important, the specific inventory of fields vs the quantum-mechanical framework? They're both essential.

    Now either all the various details of this model have deeper explanations, or they don't. If they don't, then they are rock-bottom facts about the world; contingent, but nonetheless ultimate. If they *do* have deeper explanations, then our situation is comparable to that of chemists in the 19th century, who were tabulating their knowledge of atoms in the periodic table, but didn't yet know about subatomic particles. It may be concluded in retrospect that whether or not Mendeleev's prediction of "eka-silicon" was correct (it was, we now call it germanium) was only of interest to chemists, but beneath the attention of natural philosophers. However, a philosopher of the 19th century didn't have quantum mechanics as an excuse to ignore the "eka-silicon issue"; they could only have pleaded disinterest on other grounds, such as already having a conception of the nature of matter which they felt could not be affected by the technical details of chemistry.

    I'm not aware that the existence of germanium played any particular role in the discovery of subatomic physics (though it certainly turned out to be useful in electronics). However, there was no way to know in advance how conceptually important it would be. And if atoms had turned out to be the most elementary level of material structure, then germanium would deserve philosophic respect as one of those contingent ultimate facts about the world.

    Right now, the status of the Higgs is a bit like the status of eka-silicon before the discovery of germanium. It is part of our working model, but it has not yet been observed. So the first consideration is simply to discover whether or not it's there. If it's not, then we have to rearrange our "periodic table", the model in terms of which *everything else* is explained. That's significant! And this may be happening just a few months from now.

    Then there is the question of the Higgs's significance, in the quest for a deeper understanding than the standard model can provide. Well, we are simply not in a position to know. If it exists, then we want to know if it is composite. If it is composite, presumably there is a new force of nature holding it together. The existence of a new force seems a somewhat significant fact.

    If you think string theory is the answer - string theory today still doesn't tell you which vacuum is preferred; so phenomenology is the major clue we have about how the hypothetical vacuum selection process works. So whether or not there is a Higgs is a major consideration in knowing where to look in the string landscape, and thus has a major effect on one's notion of what the *output* of vacuum selection looks like.

    If you don't think string theory is the answer, then the long-run significance of the existence or nonexistence of the Higgs is even more open. You know, here you are promoting an issue of quantum gravity (Diosi-Penrose) as a clue to the nature of quantum mechanics; but one function of the Higgs is to preserve unitarity! How do you know the absence of the Higgs isn't the first sign of nonlinear quantum mechanics?

    vongehr
    "the deepest validated model of reality available is ..."
    Deep according to what metric? Energy scale? Why this equals relevance still in a post (energy = resolution)-era? You are confusing fundamental with HEP - it is not the same.
    "our situation is comparable to that of chemists in the 19th century"
    Glad you brought on this comparison.
    "ignore the "eka-silicon issue";"
    I hope this is not some sort of straw man. I did never ask to ignore anything.
    "germanium would deserve philosophic respect as one of those contingent ultimate facts about the world."
    This is very flawed on the philosophical level (ultimate facts cannot be contingent), but I let it stand as it basically also means that the Higgs is as fundamental as germanium.
    "the model in terms of which *everything else* is explained."
    *Everything* is explained by the SM? Say gravity? LOL. What kind of brainwash did you go through? The SM is an effective theory of emergent physics.
    "seems a somewhat significant fact."
    Sure, many facts are.
    "If you think string theory ... Higgs is a major consideration ... If you don't think string theory ... significance is even more open."
    Yes, open or even more open. So why is only this stuff widely thought to be super-profound while there are other questions of which we actually know that they are definitively significant?
    "How do you know the absence of the Higgs isn't the first sign of nonlinear quantum mechanics?"
    What - the Higgs probes the DP limit now? Ha Ha Ha Ho - you are an expert on HEP PR, you are. How can I prove that just around the corner at the LHC there is not the answer to everything? I have no desire to let me be lulled by this old and tired strategy of you guys. There is plenty of physics where we know there is relevance (often at a fraction of the costs of your constant "god is just around the corner", which reminds of the scamiest sales schemes around: If you just buy one more, it could be it. Suckers go for that).
    Yes, I should get back to my day job at CERN PR - we're trying to get Super Junior to cover Otto Rössler's hit "99 Higgsbosons".

    UvaE
    Good thought-provoking essay, and I liked the biology analogy.
    Um.......... I confess I do not fully understand your point.

    In most countries since decades, the biology and chemistry departments get far more funding than the physics department. Within physics departments, branches with practical applications like solid state or quantum optics in most countries get more funding than particle physics. In fact recently more biologists are taking over positions even in the physics departments, which I suppose is a good thing, the students clearly want and appreciate it. Particle physics is a relatively small field which only temporarily looks flashy and large because there is essentially one showcase experiment (LHC) where a large percentage of the world's particle physicists converge.

    A lot of macroscopic physicists complain that they get no Nobel prize. Well maybe time will tell. On the other hand, maybe fundamental physics (including you and I) will both become sterile, and the molecular biologists and nano-engineering will dominate. Who knows? It is getting extremely difficult to get any funding to answer ANY fundamental question. "Usefulness" is more important, particularly when the economy is bad. Shouting "I am more fundamental than LHC" is not going to help anything. We are only going to do things that the tax payers want, not what we want.

    It is wrong to think there is a constant pool of money going to fundamental physics, so that if A is shut down then B will get the lost funding and positions. It isn't a zero-sum game. In fact, both A and B will get no funding, because the total number of scientists who appreciate fundamental questions will be reduced.

    vongehr
    I concentrated mostly on the HEP physicists claim to have cornered all fundamental physics while practically doing little more than condensed state physics. You are changing the topic to funding. I did not call for the stop of HEP funding. That people read this into the article is just underlining the point again that HEP hype (we are the most fundamental) is actually about funding, not physics.
    Nobody that I know of in particle physics still claims that HEP corners all of fundamental physics. The main purpose of the LHC is to study the electroweak sector and solve this 50-year-old problem. Is the Higgs boson mass hallucination or not? Once it's finished, it's finished, we write it down in the history books one way or another, and move on.

    Physicists might migrate to cosmology and astrophysics, there's still dark energy and dark matter constituting >90% of the universe. Colliders might or might not contribute to this problem, or maybe satellites are better ways to study that. Plenty of young scientists will switch fields. If all the two-body problems are solved and it's macroscopic systems in the 21 st century, so be it. Things will move on and it won't matter what you or I say about it.