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    Absence of Evidence
    By Serra Head | May 24th 2010 10:58 AM | 10 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    I am an archaeology veteran of over five years, working to clear the world up on the topic of Pseudoarchaeology vs Archaeology. I'm happy ensconced...

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    "This impatience with ambiguity can be criticized in the phrase: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." ~ Carl Sagan

    The first time I heard this quote was in field school. We'd spent the majority of the summer excavating the residence of Dr. J.H. Ward and found about nothing...though I did learn that a claw hammer will totally own century old cement...

    When asked what he was going to say about the residence since we'd had such a lean collection of artifacts, Dr. Mullins told me, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." This was quickly followed with a rather comical debate over what a particular artifact really was to which I was told, "When you hear hoof beats, think Horses not Zebras."

    I took both quotes to heart, often repeating them to myself when faced with questions in the field. I still like both, even though recently I learned that the Carl Sagan quote is actually a misquote.  The full quote is listed above and can be found on Wikiquote...or better yet in his book Demon-Haunted World.

    To put it in context, Sagan uses this phrase in his "Baloney Detection Kit". He uses it as a tool to identify and reject an "appeal to ignorance". The phrase appears in Chapter 12, "The Fine Art of Baloney Detection" in the "The Demon-Haunted World"

    "appeal to ignorance - the claim that whatever has not been proved false must be true, and vice versa (e.g., There is no compelling evidence that UFOs are not visiting the Earth; therefore UFOs exist - and there is intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe. Or: There may be seventy kazillion other worlds, but not one is known to have the moral advancement of the Earth, so we're still central to the Universe.) This impatience with ambiguity can be criticized in the phrase: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

    So, this quote didn't mean what I thought it meant. What Sagan appears to be doing here is pointing out that absence of evidence IS evidence of absence.

    What does this have to do with archaeology you ask? Oh my, so much. Especially when you are dealing with pseudoarchaeology.

    I've been doing research for a video that will be on Ancient Astronauts building the Pyramids, not a topic I was familiar with, and frankly the more I "learn" the more my brain hurts. What I've been finding is that Ancient Astronauts supporters use the appeal to ignorance to support their claims, up to the point of quoting Sagan. This tells me is that not only do they not know anything about ancient Egyptian civilization / building techniques, they also have never read Sagan. This bothers me since in both cases they are speaking as if from positions of authority, and five minutes on the internet can blow their arguments out of the water.

    I blame von Daniken for this. The man simply refuses to see fact, even when it's place right before him. He is also a prolific authoron the topic of pseudoarchaeolgoy, claiming that professional archaeologists either don't know what they are doing, or are purposefully covering up the "truth". To him I ask, what do we have to gain by hiding the truth?

    Daniken likes to point to known artifacts, hieroglyphs, and paintings, claiming that Archaeologists translated them incorrectly, that they are really ancient depictions of aliens, or even parts of a spaceship. He goes as far as to say that everything we know is wrong, and we have something to gain by not telling the lay public the truth. Daniken apparently never had the benefit of someone telling him to think Horses not Zebras.

    To all this I say, Ancient Astronauts supporters: you have no evidence, you have no facts, most damningly, you have no practical applied experience. When you misquote Sagan, you show you have no grasp of basic concepts. As in all things, Occam's Razor comes into play, and since your extraordinary claims cannot be backed with extraordinary evidence, you really should let it go. Have a little faith in your own species, we really are a very clever and capable ape.

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    MarshallBarnes
    I'm  not sure what to say to all this - there's so much wrong here I can't help laughing. The Sagan quote you reference is not what people are repeating, it's the phrase that Sagan is criticizing, the one that Dr. Mullins told you,  which actually is true as should be self-evident, especially to an archeologist. How many discoveries were made in archeology only after long periods, in some cases years, without any evidence before hand? At any moment some numb skull could have come along and said, "the absence of evidence is evidence of absence" and shut the dig down. And don't even get me started on Occam's razor. What a joke that is. The beginning of the phrase, as it's usually quoted, is the tip off - "all things being equal..." When are all things ever equal? Never. At least not usually, and many times not when they appear to be. Why? Because usually only one of them is true. The hitch is discovering which one. I suggest you go to wikipedia and review the Occam's razor article's Applications section.
    Oh, and Carl Sagan was known to ignore evidence, like most skeptics, later in life. I watched him in shock as he stood on the Dennis Prager Show and answered a girl's question about what makes crop circles with the reply that Doug and Dave made them all. Never mind that that would be impossible due to the number of circles and the fact that they aren't all in England. Never mind that man-made circles lack the distinct characteristics of the real circles - exploded nodes, laying down smoothly as opposed to being bent over due to being stepped on. Like a typical skeptic, he was shooting from the hip about something he had never looked into. So, at least in that case, absence of evidence was not evidence of absence for Sagan since there was no evidence that those two old coot hoaxers created all the crop circles. It simultaneously proved the fallacy of Occam's razor as, believing two hoaxers are telling the truth is easier than putting the time in required to solve a mystery, never mind the fact that the hoaxers weren't telling the truth. That's one thing I've learned - skeptics will never let the truth get in the way of their belief in the simplest explanation. 

    I'm not picking sides in any debate, only pointing out the inferiority of relying too much on the obvious instead of being able to suss out the right place to dig and knowing what you've found when you find it - metaphor intended.

    ArchyFantasies
    K...

    Well, its always good to have some feedback from readers, and its always fun to learn what other people think. Thanks for the comment.
    "This impatience with ambiguity can be criticized in the phrase: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." ~ Carl Sagan
    'The beginning of the phrase, as it's usually quoted, is the tip off - "all things being equal..."'

    Umm, that's NOT Occam's Razor. I think SOMEBODY needs to learn what Occam's Razor actually is.

    Thanks for your thoughtful and informative article. I have been in an email correspondence with an old friend who is into 9/11 conspiracies in a big way and you have given me some good pointers to Carl Sagan and other relevant topics which I can use.

    ArchyFantasies
    Good 'Ol Carl Sagan,  good luck, I know there are a lot of weird 9/11 ideas out there. 
    "This impatience with ambiguity can be criticized in the phrase: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." ~ Carl Sagan
    Most of us 'laymen' or 'pseudo-archaeologists', or the 'tatter' crowd. or the 'fringe' element, are neither as research ignorant or critically illiterate as posited above.

    From my perspective and experience, most of the Historical Sciences have specific 'axes' to grind, whether their agenda is gradualism, creationism, punctuated catastrophism or sometimes interventionism.

    In most instances, datasets which appear to support any specific agendas are proclaimed as 'true' by adherents or advocates of that agenda, while datasets which appear to detract from an agenda are generally loudly proclaimed as irrelevant, outright lying, mistakes, presented by unqualified persons, hoaxes and ad infinitum. In addition, where dataset facts are indisputable, such as the inconvenient case of the Windover Bog people and the Ancient Canal Builders, then Historical Scientists develop a deathly silence around those datasets. Complete silence on verifiable evidence is another form of disinformation. The fact is, you guys control the agenda of what is even discussed.

    Your above 'debunking' is nothing short of disinformation, in that if one shouts about some discredited fact long and loudly enough, they effectively redirect energy away from more relevant opposing data. Any competent researcher, doing real work, understands which datasets have a level of authenticity, and those that do not, based on your argument of verifiable provenance. There are many more examples than those you describe. In some ways you appear to be trying to provide an opposing view to those same mindless morons who consume Ancient Alien, Conspiracy and Doomsday theories equally and voraciously. Those folks are going to believe about anything anyway, and they can't change their own mind, so what's the effort for? The reasonably intelligent don't need it, and the 'stupids' don't care. In my opinion, the same argument is true regarding Interventionists and mainstream Historical Scientists.

    There are endless lists of datasets completely ignored by Historical Science, not the least of which is the Dinosaur Dialogues. As I am sure you are well aware, Dr. Mary Schweitzer of North Carolina State has extracted soft tissue (flexible and elastic blood vessels) and hemoglobin compounds from a T-Rex hind limb bone. Most Historical Scientists won't touch that, because it would require a suspension of belief to make the case for viable tissue to survive 65 million years. Dinosaur Bones, rather than fossils, have been extracted from the same permafrost where whole frozen Mammoths and Mastodons have been found

    In addition, there are any number of competent review regarding the 'attenuated gravity' required for the heaviest of dinosaurs to stand upright. Are you kidding me? The term 'attenuated' means that Newtonian Physics is just jargon, and gravity is not a 'fixed' law at all. So much for Saganism. The most competent argument provided is by Dr. Harold Aspden who postulated that 'Gravity' is actually an element of the phenomenon of Electrostatics.

    Why not spend some time reviewing those facts?

    I have not completed more than the eighth grade with a GED in academics, but that makes me neither illiterate or stupid. It also does not disqualify me as a competent witness. Certainly not a 'qualified expert', but I should pass muster as at least 'competent' as a witness or juror in any court of law. I could serve on any jury that required an impartial evaluation of evidence 'beyond a reasonable doubt' to convict.

    I do agree with your basic construct on the premise that datasets and factual information, on their own merit, do not presuppose a particular 'purpose, reason or meaning' by the fact of their existence. What they are, and what they do, and how they do it, are separate things. Most folks tend to get the three mixed up, as we researchers sometimes do. When we extract our version of 'What, Why and How', we then tend to assign our own viewpoint as to the 'Purpose and Meaning' of that dataset. Which is typical 'Good Guy-Bad Guy' behavior. Which means that all groups, regardless of profile, function on the basis of: “..There are only two kinds of people in the World: Good Guys and Bad Guys. And the Good Guys get to decide Who's Who...”

    In conclusion, I don't disagree with your basic premise, but making a case against the Dropa Stones, is at best, a yawn. That story, for many years, has been known to have been fabricated out of mostly whole cloth.

    Maybe take on both sides of the Dinosaur Dialog for awhile. We might learn something new.

    John Jensen
    Ancient Canal Builders

    Hank
    From my perspective and experience, most of the Historical Sciences have specific 'axes' to grind, whether their agenda is gradualism, creationism, punctuated catastrophism or sometimes interventionism.
    So it's a Vast Humanities Conspiracy against you? You understand that history is not science, right? I fully accept that when it comes to made-up stuff to fill in blanks from the past, it's anything goes, but your plotlines are even sillies than a Dan Brown novel.
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    ArchyFantasies

    I wasn't really sure I was going to respond to you, but there are a few things you've said in this comment that I want address. 

    Firstly, I am aware of Dr.Schweitzer's findings, and I have read the actual report filed by her and her team. It doesn’t say what you seem to think it does. I offer you a link, http://www.sciencemag.org/content/316/5822/277.short, to read up on the whole finding. Her find has changed several theories, and she is the mother of a new field of science, molecular paleontology, based on her findings. This is all very exciting and she deserves credit.

    Unfortunately, too many people simply read outlandish headlines, and never bother to look up the actual study, or if they do, don’t understand what they are reading. They draw conclusions based on incomplete understandings, fail to ask questions, and deem themselves educated enough to form opions on complicated topics.

    This brings me to the second thing I wanted to address.

    You freely provided this information without prompting, so it is open to criticism. I’m clarifying this because I don’t want to see you complaining about personal attacks later on.

    Your GED does not equal my BA or my impending MS. Your eight years of grade school is not equivalent to my 12 years plus 6 more in College. Your interest in scientific and academic topics is not the same as my focused study of Archaeology, Osteology, and GIS. Yes, you could sit on a Jury and pass judgment on your fellow man, but you could not take the stand as an expert witness. I am puzzled where this idea comes from. 

    I am not making any assumptions about your intelligence, for all I know you could be the next Einstein. I never assume someone is “stupid”, however, I will judged your comments biased on your apparent level of education in the field you are addressing, and your level of experience in said field. It’s the same measure I am held to, and it’s only fair I hold youto the same.

    Lastly, I think you might have made-up the concept of “Historical Sciences” and the way you are trying to use “data sets”, well, I do not think that word means what you think it means. 

    "This impatience with ambiguity can be criticized in the phrase: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." ~ Carl Sagan
    In Western legal processes, a 'witness' does not have to be any kind of 'expert' with any credentials or degrees, in order for that person to present their own eye witness accounts of a particular set of facts, (data, or more precisely; 'datasets') to a court and jury. That person may be questioned as to their credibility, or 'motive' regarding truthfulness, but they are not required to pass any litmus test as to 'expertise'. Eye witness testimony, by almost any (non expert) witnesses, is the standard used in Western Law, to acquit or convict accused persons. Neither the 'Trier of Fact' (jury), nor Witnesses are required to have any credentials to determine by 'preponderance of evidence' the facts of the case.

    Although the above is a rough generalization of the Legal system, and could be argued as to meaning, it generally reflects the state of Western and specifically US legal formats. The process is used daily to send human beings to their death, when the 'Trier of Fact' so decides. If that process is good enough for the legal system, it should be good enough for all else. And, it should be good enough for me.

    The above is specifically why I chose to use lack of Education as a starting point, in that it should have little or no value regarding my credibility in terms of testimony. Obviously, if I attempt to 'draw expert' conclusions, as to purpose or meaning of facts, (witness accounts) then 'Expert Witness' rules apply, with Education and relevant experience a necessary factor.

    Were Academia/Science so simply wrought.

    I invite you to draw conclusions to Dr. Schweitzer's evidence, not make snarky comments of how familiar I am with the totality of her work. Your position might have had some political play BTI, (Before the Internet), but now, anyone with a GED, a little money, and a little time, can gain access to the same data and information as anyone in Academia and/or Science. As Gutenberg was the death knell of the Inquisition, (to the benefit of Academia and Science), so too the Internet will act in much the same manner, to the determent of the same communities. On that principle, you and I are on even ground.

    That being said, I can provide you with thousands of eye witness accounts across the historical 'record' of giant flora and fauna, including trees, humans and every kind of insect, plant and animal, (some, so stunningly large they defy comprehension) thousands more of objects and artifacts buried in coal strata and other layers of the geologic column. (Currently euphemistically referred to as "Anomalies'). By the above Legal System standards, almost all eye witness accounts regarding Anomalies, could and should be submitted as Evidence to the record of Historical Sciences. Sadly, they are not. Regardless, I don't need Science or Academia to tell me what that Evidence means. I am as competent as any other 'GED' level Jury Member (Trier of Fact) to assess value, validity, and relevance of those facts.

    Using the same standards, while we are at it, lets look at the 'evidence' or eye witness testimony regarding other datasets. Though I find few if any Academics or Scientists willing to 'risk' their professional standing or credentials in reviewing so-called other 'Anomaly' datasets.

    I am not necessarily impressed with your argument regarding the facts of Dr. Schweitzer's testimony. You make no case as to the significance of 'elastic tissue' and 'hemoglobin' in a T-Rex hind leg bone. That is what I originally requested, and asked on a second response, and am asking again. Please, for the third time, enlighten me as to why, as a Trier of Fact, I should not conclude that Science and Academia just may have the question of the 'Age and Extinction of the Dinosaurs' woefully and inadequately wrong?

    On a different question; the issue of what some of the Physical Science are beginning to call 'attenuation of gravity' and whether the question of 'attenuation' means Newtonian Physics and Relativity (Einstein and Sagan) are as quaintly Victorian as that phrase makes them sound, is withdrawn.

    To make it easy for you, I only question your position regarding the presence of 'elastic tissue and hemoglobin elements' in a T-Rex hind limb fossilized bone. As you are well aware, this instance in question, is only one of several non fossilized dinosaur bones on record. So the question is posed as to the broader, rather than single significance of this instance.

    As an aside, Eric Hoffer didn't even have an eighth grade education. And Nikola Tesla only graduated from High School, (though he did attend two Universities, he graduated from neither one). Leaving one to possibly infer that Academic credentials can be significantly overrated compared to intellect and ability. (I make no comparison or claim for myself. My own competency stands or falls on its own merit, not on theirs.)

    Thank You for responding to the question asked, though in all probability, your lack of response is expected, because depriving any opposing voice a platform is just another form of Academic censorship. It goes to the 'Good Guy-Bad Guy' principle. All groups, including Science and Academia, function under the rule; "There are only two kinds of people in the world; Good Guys and Bad Guys, and the Good Guys get to decide Who's Who."

    Anyone with any kind of non Good Guy view, is necessarily a Bad Guy. So, it is how I expect to be treated. "No problema", as Arnold would say. I am well used to the silence.

    John Jensen

    That's typical.

    My comments had nothing to do with defending or protecting my own particular research. It is an insult noted, that you slap me personally, rather than oppose or argue the validity of my ideas. I made no comments about my research as a valid framework for argument, and yes, without being condescending, I do know the difference between history and science. I was using, as you know, the terms to define Sciences that look at information and datasets from the past.

    I won't and don''t let my personal opinion of Historical Sciences reflect on datasets, whether theirs or mine. The fact that I have as little respect for their opinions of 'purpose and meaning' as I do for Creationists on any particular dataset, does not in any way invalidate their information as datasets. it's their interpretation of 'facts' that I often have an argument with.

    Making 'snort' comments has neither value or validity. Argue Dinosaur tissue and Hemoglobin relevant to the supposed age of Dinosaur extinction, as I invited you to do. As far as 'made-up stuff' goes, I have not knowingly ever argued anything on the basis of non factual datasets. I didn't attack you personally, or question your integrity, I invited you to look at evidence (by Scientists) that puts at question the general theory of gradualism. (As well as attenuated gravity.) And just so that we are VERY clear... I am not now, nor ever have been a Creationist or Theologist. not that I have made any comments that can even be faintly construed as supporting that agenda. In fact, I have no agenda other than to look at datasets with all relevant data to the subject before reaching conclusions as to that dataset's validity. The real difference between you and I, is that I am not constrained personally or professionally from viewing datasets from any particular agenda's viewpoint.

    Your attack of 'plot line' silliness is as misdirected as your article. It has no merit or value regarding the questions I pose. It also obfuscates the questions asked. You don't have to like my questions, but try for the sake of a 'novice' to answer them in some kind of reasonable tone. Your answers don't have to be reasonable, but your tone should be.

    And, as I started out, that's typical of folks with an agenda to protect.

    Sitting in an Ivory Tower, requires that you look outside of the walls of your castle, at least once in awhile.

    John Jensen