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    Anti-Science Debunking Conservatives And Progressives Agree On (And Some They Don't)
    By Hank Campbell | May 28th 2010 12:30 PM | 15 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    Conservatives have long lamented the politicization of science.  And why wouldn't they?  Scientists as a bloc haven't voted Republican in decades and when Republicans limit science, there is an outcry (and even whole books!) but when a Democrat limits science the outcry is pretty much limited to ... me.   Conservatives have not, for example, lamented the politicization of talk radio because they do much better there.

    But even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while and Iain Murray at National Review has come up with a gem, if I can mix metaphors among the Internet's smartest readers - you just may not like what he does with some of it, namely that he lumps in vaccine-autism junk science with climate science, neglecting to realize that there is a big difference between one guy using shoddy methods to create a cottage industry (Andrew Wakefield) and the bulk of climate research - thousands of reputable scientists - being negated by some paranoid frauds out to dupe the public.

    But he makes some good points about the recursive nature of the scientific process and outlines what we all know, how propositional knowledge ( popular term basic research) will lead to prescriptive knowledge (applied research), yet how the reverse is more common than anyone wants to admit and why that is.

    Disagree?   You probably do because it contradicts the modern linear model of scientific research, which says we must invest in propositional knowledge as a public good because that’s where  prescriptive knowledge comes from.   I've even asked myself if perhaps we should make science a strategic resource, like food and oil.  It has the feeling of truthiness because that has been the way most of us have grown up in science but it isn't really so, or else  for every planned discovery there would be 5 'accidental' ones due to basic research that failed.   And is the belief in basic research as a public good becoming a bunker mentality and are we better off for it?   It's an interesting question.

    Murray invokes no less than President Eisenhower, who held the coolest title in the world in 1945 (Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers) and 5 stars on his shoulders to go with it and rode that to the White House.  Ike was regarded as a somewhat average President at the time but he turned out to be the Commander in Chief of America's golden age, if you are on one side, when one parent worked and most people had a house and a car, or disinterested overseer of a blight on our culture if you are on the other because black people had technical civil rights yet practically none at all and women only worked until they could land a husband.

    Eisenhower is remembered by people who dislike America because of his "military-industrial complex" remark but Murray offers up this less-known nugget:
    Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers. The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present — and is gravely to be regarded.

    Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.
    Do you feel like part of the elite?  Well, intellectually, you probably do, but scientists as a bloc hold little credibility in the public policy sense.  I have argued before that if scientists want to get competition for votes, they need to not be so obviously voting for Democrats - because they will get taken for granted by their own party and Republicans will not bother to compete with initiatives.

    Murray's contention that scientists control a vast amount of policy-making would have to surprise you.   He's claiming it for a reason I don't buy into; that a small contingent of researchers are suppressed and denied funding because they disagree with global warming 'dogma'.   

    What he says after the rather vague bifurcation fallacy (if I don't give 10 global warming opponents equal time with 10,000 proponents I have no objectivity) surprised me; he endorses prizes, something I have also said would be a good idea (see also Patterns of Patronage: Why Grants Won Over Prizes In Science by Robin Hanson and Should governments fund science? by Terence Kealey and Omar Al-Ubaydli).   An idea virtually no one on this site agreed with me about.

    But back to these 'brave souls' as he calls global warming skeptics in a group?  It's the myth of the oppressed underdog we all know so well in science - if you are suppressed, it must be because Big Science is protecting its domain and funding and not because you are just wrong.   This gets to be the umbrella excuse for a lack of mainstream peer reviewed articles on warp drives, perpetual motion and ESP too.  It's in defiance of the nature of science and scientists.   For the most part, scientists don't like each other any more than any group likes any other group - Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck are not best friends, for example, she is instead friends with Bill Maher, who is hardly a shill for Republicans.   Scientists are competitors to each other and only the bad ones chase funding based on popular opinion.    There is no greater delight in science than tripping up a scientist who got a lot of press.   And any researcher who can prove a negligible impact for greenhouse gases will get more funding than he can stand. 

    But the science has taken a back seat and global warming policy discussion has gotten into minutae and historical blood-letting on both sides.   Yes, the Kyoto treaty was flawed, it had economic-political motivations that pushed the science to the background but there was science behind it, and yes some researchers were so convinced that Big Oil is out to get them that they ignored the fact that Union of Concerned Scientists alone spends more money per year promoting global warming science than Exxon spent in 7 years denying it and so 'Climategate' is a black eye that got blacker when scientists complained about hacked emails and ignored the fraudulent intent of the researchers.  But that is a tiny minority.

    There is healthy skepticism and there is flat-out anti-science fundamentalism and denying that more people and more pollution impacts the environment is firmly in the anti-science camp.   Murray praises the objectivity of science when it came to exposing Wakefield and the vaccine-autism connection but seems to think it cannot exist in climate research.    This is akin to saying we shouldn't do anything now about saving the environment because science in the future will solve it without economic penalty - science that would be done by the liberals National Review writers won't want to fund.

    Comments

    You know I'm a huge skeptic of global warming. I'm not saying that we aren't causing damage to our environment, any idiot can walk out of their house and see that. But I'm concerned that conclusions have been made without all of the relevant data collected and reviewed.

    I have always had a deep fascination with science and respect and admiration for the scientists, but I truly believe that this whole process is no where near completion and in an attempt to continue to receive funding scientists are being forced to come to conclusions that are not based on 100% fact.

    Please continue researching this subject because it, just like all research is important.

    Amateur Astronomer
    Issues in scientific research and environmental protection are best understood in terms of who bears the burden of proof, and where the vested interests lie. Science has been tampered with by everyone who had the ability to do it. All of the most advanced science is done with statistics. Quite frankly I very often have enough data to prove either side of an argument, depending on how the propositions are written and how the conclusions compare to my own interests.

    The scientific community has always had to contend with receiving too much friendly technical help, and too little financial support. It makes an interesting history of how the scientists have coped with the interference and the shortages, and still advanced the cause of new discoveries.

    At this time the reader most often finds a scientific paper published by a group of maybe ten scientists from five universities. The universities are usually in greatly different countries where there is a wide range of political and economic systems. Made easier by communication and net working, team building is one way to say that a particular political or social opinion has not dictated the results.

    I am from an older school of thought in which the physical test of a theory was necessary to give it full acceptance. Albert Einstein was against that point of view, at least until the results of physical test started agreeing with his theories. Dirac said Einstein presented his new ideas in the most complicated way possible, to avoid criticism and the need of physical tests for proof.

    Most of my teachers in early years were farmers with Masters Degrees who claimed to be Christians, scientists, and conservative democrats. They don’t seem fit your pattern. Those teachers did a remarkably good job that was not recognized in their life times. They taught the basics as a firm foundation. Then they introduced the mystical concepts of star travel, vacuum energy, other worlds, and many dimensions. Finally they gave the rules of physical testing to decide what is real and what is not. As a group they were very powerful. They had a truce with the local governments. Teachers stayed out of politics and politics stayed out of schools. That probably couldn’t be duplicated today.

    Later in five universities of greatly diverse cultures the teachers were highly effective in a variety of situations that restricted academic freedom. They learned to cope with interference by applying technical terms to things that would cause problems if the popular names were used. Anything can be researched, and anything can be published, as long as the technical names are unfamiliar, hard to spell, and impossible to pronounce. Every big university has informal groups of this type working on all sorts of theories.

    Quantum mechanics was a totally ridiculous theory that passed every physical test. Now science is stuck with it. Things like perpetual motion were given a very good physical test that they failed every time. Now there are claims about vacuum energy which I support, and overunity or overutility which I oppose. In both cases a physical test is the answer to the argument.

    History records some really great physical tests, things like Portuguese Sailing Ships against Venetian Rowing Galleys, and propeller driven steam ships against paddle wheel ships of the same engine power. The proof is in the test, and it ends the argument.

    Things like ESP and Warp Drive have some powerful arguments for and against. The proof is in the test. The main stream has peer reviewed all of these things with inconclusive results. Science does continually review all sorts of things that would be scandalous if they were described with popular names. Technology has great value and there is competition to acquire ownership and control. That brings me to my last point.

    Most of the best new science is being done in private companies and government agencies out of public view. Interference with university research slows down the progress enough to keep new discoveries out of public domain. The example is given of cold fusion, not one of my favorite things.

    Cold fusion discovered something important, but not what the researchers were expecting. So cold fusion was laughed our of existence in the universities and largely disappeared from journals. Years later in newspaper obituaries the causes of accidental deaths on two occasions were attributed to explosions in cold fusion research laboratories of large government organizations. Research never stopped, it just went underground, and ridicule was the means by which it was suppressed. There are programs of that type operating for vacuum energy and ESP. The public information is a cover operation and a network for listening to see if someone has something worth stealing.

    In memory of the careers in science that died from ridicule, I’ll tell your readers what cold fusion discovered that was worth stealing. Fusion didn’t occur when the devices were running. It happened randomly after the machines were shut down. Strong magnetic fields were applied to the palladium cores saturated with deuterium, and those magnetic fields made fusion less likely, because all of the magnetic spin vectors were aligned in the same direction. Like poles respell each other, so there was no fusion. After the power was shut off the magnetic fields decayed leaving random parts of the core with exactly no magnetic fields of any polarity. It was in the regions completely free of magnetic fields that cold fusion occurred at a slow but measurable rate. In nature magnetic free zones are extremely rare and hard to create, and that is why cold fusion doesn’t occur naturally.

    When chaos is applied to the scientific community, the remedy is to do the physical test and report the results, even if the words have to be hard to spell and impossible to pronounce.
    Hank
    Most of my teachers in early years were farmers with Masters Degrees who claimed to be Christians, scientists, and conservative democrats. They don’t seem fit your pattern. 
    They're not in the test sample.  Teachers are not academic researchers but 70% of scientists are in academia.   Researchers, by necessity, have to think about funding.

    What should be considered a miracle of tolerance and absolute love of science by Republicans is that funding went up for science during the early Bush years (the NIH budget doubled and NASA got 5% after a 15% decline during the Clinton years) even though there was rampant criticism of Republicans by scientists.   

    Who gives additional funding to a science group that makes no secret of their partisan contempt for it?  It means Republicans care about science a lot more than they are given credit for.
    Wes D. Sturdevant
    I'm gonna stay out of this one a bit as I don't have the evidence or supporting logic to support what weak opinions i have on global warming and such.  However i will say some of what I think right now about it before much research.  I'm skeptical as well of global warming even though i am sure there is no denying that we pollute our environment.  As for politics I wish they didn't have so much to do with scientific funding and would fund 'real' science based on what evidence shows to be true and not on what they want to hear which global warming is a perfect example of i think.  It's sad also that science just isn't important to anybody really as much as it should be.  I'm still in shock about the fact that LA is going to be teaching alternative theories as if creationism and intelligent design are 'scientific theories' they are nothing but old dogma not at all believed by the scientific community that I know of that scoffs at the idea of such things.  Hopefully science will see an up rise in funding and interest by the general population, young, middle age, old, rep, dem, and every minority group including some change in such things as Amish only having to go to school till 8th grade instead of age 16 like everyone else and encouraged to NOT study science at all.  Just excites me wanting to do something more about advocating science more as well as more 'rational thinking' which hopefully I'll get back to writing soon.  I don't think it will be a best seller as I'm not a good writer but maybe appease me from my inability to do anything about the problems of our world.  Many problems that man has done and that can be undone by science and rational thinking about the world around us.  Anyway I suppose I had more to babble about than I thought, lol. 
    None of us individually have any power over the problems of the world--problems which the vast majority of us didn't create in the first place, Wes. In the end it is the world that determines each of our fates. But, I think your choice to focus on promoting science and rational thought and writing about your thoughts on these matters is a wise choice. That's all any of us can do. : )
    Hank
    I'm still in shock about the fact that LA is going to be teaching alternative theories as if creationism and intelligent design are 'scientific theories' they are nothing but old dogma not at all believed by the scientific community that I know of that scoffs at the idea of such things. 
    They will find, as most do, that foisting off their sectarian view is going to get a negative response and it won't be immoral atheists doing the objecting, it will be plenty of religious people who won't want to spend Saturday and Sunday undoing what one group tries to do Mon-Fri.

    Plenty of people balance scientific rationality and faith and they will step up as they always have.  It isn't like 80 years ago there was no religion, or 800, but science still got taught.
    Good point, Hank. And many times in history it wasn't religious dogma that hindered the progress of science, but scientific dogma. Look at the case of the Aristotelian geocentric view of the cosmos versus Aristarchus' heliocentric view of the cosmos. Aristarchus lived after Aristotle. But the Hellenistic Greeks were so entrench in the authority of Aristotelian philosophy that they out an out rejected Aristarchus' view. And when the mathematician Claudius Ptolemy codified the Aristotelian view through mathematical manipulation it made the situation that much worse.
    Hank
    I have confidence in society the more panicky anti-religious people don't have (classic deficit thinking).  When I was a kid there was new math and then outcome based education and even things like ebonics and who knows what else - they were all tried in school districts.

    Everyone claims a slippery slope when it comes to their pet issue (and then disregards it for others') so we'd be one big mudhole if it were true.   Local education is actually a real strength of America but these people want to make the federal government even bigger and take that away just to squash some goofs that crop up here or there.

    I know a lot more religious people than any atheist science groups do and I can tell you they regard creationism just as I describe; one sectarian view that not only wrecks science but damages religion by making one viewpoint an official one.   Atheists who care about science need to embrace those people of faith who accept science, and there are many, many more of them than young earth types - Genie Scott at the NSCE does a wonderful job at being a skeptic and an atheist and a science advocate, but making science education a positive umbrella everyone wants to get under.
    I remember a story about Father Georges-Henri Lemaître after he had formulated his primeval atom theory of the universe. The Pope at the time upon learning about this theory claimed that this was proof of God's existence. Well, Lemaître, who was himself a Catholic priest, was outraged by this, and wrote to the Pope essentially telling him that he couldn't say this because this was a scientific theory and had nothing to do with religious faith!

    What most people don't realize is that there have been just as many Nobel laureates in physics who were people of faith as there were atheists.

    I, myself, am a spiritual person. I'm just not involved in any organized religion. I just figure that I don't need an intermediary in order to commune with the Creator.

    But, I know the difference between science and my spiritual beliefs, just as Father Lemaître did. And, I think that's the point you're making here, Hank. Correct me if I'm wrong. And I agree.

    Like you said, there has always been some sort of silliness in our educational system. It certainly was true in my day. But that didn't stop me from becoming a pretty good and knowledgeable scientist and philosopher. Either a person has it in him or her to question the received wisdom or not. We can't all be as lucky as the de' Medici children and have a Galileo as our teacher! ;-)
    Hank
    Mendel was an Austrian Monk.   Religious people are plenty scientific and always have been.  The schism between science and faith may seem greater now but I think it's because the fringes have access to the Internet.
    Father Pietro Angelo Secchi SJ (pictured left), a Jesuit priest, along with Joseph von Fraunhofer was one of the first pioneers in modern astronomical spectroscopy. Father Secchi was the first to come up with the idea of spectral types for stars. Even though his system was eventually replaced by the Harvard system, he still was the first to come up the idea. This is just but one of his many accomplishments as director of what was then known as the Roman College (currently known as the Observatory at the Pontifical Gregorian University). He's one of my heroes in the history of astronomy.

    I think you're right, Hank about the schism between science and faith seeming to be greater because the fringes have access to the Internet.
    Wes D. Sturdevant
    Couldn't agree more with ya that we (agnostic/atheists) can't make direct attacks on theists and get anywhere, which is why I'm hoping to get at them indirectly in the book on rational thinking if i ever get a chance to get back to writing it.  You can ask R. Dawkins, Christopher Hitchkens, Danniel Dennet, Sam Harris, probably many others about this and an interview on youtube of them talking about it called the four horseman, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuyUz2XLp1E&feature=PlayList&p=A490902178E6854D&playnext_from=PL&index=0&playnext=1">4 horseman</a>   they will say themselves they with all their knowledge never convert anybody to science by going at it directly.  They do what they can but they know their limits of what they can do to change things and do only what we can do, accepting that and trying to then be able to sleep at night knowing they're doing their best...  And I know that's all I and hopefully you all can and will do to change things for the betterment of science and humanity.  don't think many here will argue that religion has been a good thing over the years when it's caused more wars than anything else over what?  a disagreement over which myth is true?  As if any of them are not man made, whether there is a creative force of somekind that we could call god exists or not it certainly hasn't picked one religion to be the one true religion and all others false...  Hope I'm making a point here and not just ticking off believers, not my intent to tell what people to believe only advocating some education on religion/mythology, science, history, pyschology, et cetera and you'd be amazed with some education how your world view changes and for the better.  TAKE THE RED PILL. lol As Douglas Adams said there doesn't need to be fairies at the bottom of a garden for it to be beautiful...  I find that everyday when I read and learn something new. :D
    Hank
    I certainly agree Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris are only going to preach to their choir - when I speak of the militant fringes, I mean both sides and fundamentalists in atheism aren't any better than the religious kind; hatred is hatred and they are steeped in it.

    But they serve an important function just like firebrands in religion too; they show a lot of us how not to do science outreach.  

    Obviously we all agree (well, I assume we do) that there is beauty in explaining and understanding the world according to natural laws but you make a key point lost on many and it goes beyond this particular debate.   For example, when environmental fundamentalists protest and shut down US telescopes they don't seen to realize that astonomers care more about pollution, both atmospheric and light, than anyone, so having science domestically would be a huge benefit to their cause.  Instead these science projects go to South America because no one wants to be spit on by radicals who just need something to hate.

    When science shows its positive benefits to society - and that also means accepting the benefits a liturgical society has brought (you can mention wars but name me an atheist group that puts boots on the ground when disasters occur that don't make the front page of the NY Times), something Dawkins and Hitchens would never do despite the evidence - while making sure that belief does not bleed into acceptance of science, fantastic things happen.   It takes vigilance, to be sure, but what damages it is declarations of war by people using a veneer of science to advance their cultural agenda.
    Wes D. Sturdevant
    Some very good points and think your right Hank I find even though I perhaps make some good points in things in here that you guys are a good challenge for me for a change to think deeper into things and challenge myself, TY Hank for this.  And your'e right even though i love all four of the mentioned Dawkins, Hitchkens, Dennet and Harris I do see their faults, not so much anger to me but a lack of 'compassionate wisdom' is what my college professor said to me awhile back when discussing some things that he thought I should keep in mind when advocating science and such to theists.  With compassion of showing your respect for their beliefs and not what seems like hatred to them, and perhaps at times I would have to agree these men too are a bit 'angry' almost only because they see the trouble it has caused the world.  But the anger prevents them to get anywhere.  As for the atheists not doing anything 'constructive' i think you'd be surprised that they are just as giving as anyone else and moral as anyone else and likely to see them not in military boots but certainly helping those from disasters we have viz. hurricane katrina, 9-11, etc.  We are just a minority for one and know that we can win at debates in a university easy, but winning the hearts and minds of the public is a different matter and most keep to themselves on the issue.  The bright movement if you've heard of it seems to be going in the right direction though from what I've heard and seen on their website although it's been awhile since I've been on their site.  I've talked to one of the people in support or something once and he gave me suggestions on what to do and not do in my book.  One that it won't sell because there's already too many of them out there which is why i adjusted it some but still don't see it selling.  And more importantly was his suggestion similar to my philosophy professor messle's 'compassionate wisdom' advice to pretty much not sound angry and to come at theists indirectly and with some heart in it.
    Wes D. Sturdevant
    Watching the four horsemen video and christopher hitchens made a very good point that I wanted to share to paraphrase that we (atheists) may win on the logical debate but lose badly in politics.  Think this goes the same for scientists as well, we can win a debate easily with logic but when it comes to politics we lose badly and if anyone has any idea how to gain some political power for either I will support, advocate and heck do anything I could for the person, certainly go out of my way to vote for them.  I rarely vote but do just because of what thomas kempis said "one must choose the lesser of two evils."

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