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    Legislating Out And Suppressing Dissent Is Not A Liberal Trait
    By Hank Campbell | July 17th 2012 04:31 AM | 29 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    Over the last year there has been increasing recognition that it isn't "the right" who are anti-science. The left has far more anti-science people; percentage-wise, there are more anti-vaccine people who vote Democrat than there are Republicans who deny evolution or global warming.  Ditto for anti-GMO stances, people who believe in psychics and UFOs, etc. The list of kooky positions that turn out to be held by people on the left is huge but you wouldn't know that from science media of the past decade.  In science media of the 2000s, the list of 'anti-science' positions seemed to consist solely of evolution, global warming, and human embryonic stem cells and the echo chamber they created reaffirmed their beliefs. Of course, that was never true but the bulk of science media, and almost all of science blogging, did not want to see the Big White Elephant in the room.

    Yet this recognition that the left is anti-science in this decade has come from...liberals.  Yes, liberals are friends of science and increasingly standing up to progressives. Social authoritarian progressives have painted themselves as liberals and it is only recently that actual liberals in science media have begun to notice they really aren't.  Scientists always noticed, they just prefer to stay out of politics, but if you privately ask most scientists who is a direct threat to their job performance in academia, who bogs down science the most, they will describe fellow academics who are not interested in science, but instead political agendas.  Science academia is 6:1 left (and far more lopsided in the humanities and social sciences) so it is obviously not Republicans getting in the way of science. There aren't enough of them.

    Social authoritarian progressives (which is to say, all progressives, unless they are hipster liberals trying to be cool and edgy and calling themselves progressives) use the courts to impede and even block the opposition, like with power plants (including solar ones) and use well-funded public relations efforts to promote their anti-science fallacies about food and medicine.  

    Jeremy Bowman tackles that suppressive mentality in a recent piece, he just doesn't seem to recognize the common political trait they all share.  He writes:
    To stifle an opinion on the grounds that it is “unscientific” is backward, parochial, illiterate and illiberal. It is backward, because it is to do exactly what religionists do. It is a profoundly anti-scientific, authoritarian move to protect orthodoxy. 
    Now, there are two ways to take this.  Clearly this thinking spread in blanket fashion can be used to hijack science and bog it down in useless relativism about what is real science and what is not. I don't want to be told that unless I accept some new Theory of Everything by an engineer I am being illiberal.  Progressives use that 'stifling' defense, along with the precautionary principle, to combat science all of the time.  And scientists, primarily liberals, react to it and give their arguments more tolerance than they deserve. In many instances, these arguments have been debunked so many times they can't get a fresh hearing, so it is not stifling to dismiss them, it is saving time.  In climate science, the skeptical and advocacy communities use 'nuisance' requests and lawsuits against each other and their rationale is always that they are blocking orthodoxy.

    Bowman's context is primarily religion and why scientists should not let a minority of loud, militant atheists (and what trait will they share?  It certainly is not liberalism, beyond faux use of the term) use science as a weapon in a culture war.

    Bonus: He references Matthew Arnold’s “darkling plain”. Is he a Utopian idealist?  Can rationality really work this way?  I am skeptical it can. How much tolerance should science have for people who insist that the eye did not evolve or that if we can't prove genetically modified foods can never harm anyone, they should have warning labels?  At what point are we dignifying or even legitimizing kooky anti-science arguments by addressing them seriously? 

    Regardless of where you mentally fall on the progressive/liberal (or perhaps, for 16% of science, conservative) scale, he condenses his concepts into easy-to-remember chunks of wisdom: Don't be backward, parochial, illiterate or illiberal.  That doesn't mean you have to promote false balance for cranks either.

    Words to live by.

    Comments

    "The left has far more anti-science people; percentage-wise, there are more anti-vaccine people who vote Democrat than there are Republicans who deny evolution or global warming."

    Back that up please.

    Hank
    If you want to believe all of the anti-vaccine people in San Francisco and Seattle are Republicans, go for it.
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    Don't Republicans who deny Evolution vastly outnumber the anti-vaccine people? Sorry, I am confused here. I am interested in some actual stats here. Why? I am rather doubtful that the right is more pro science than the left. It seems to me that the anti-science left groups are rather fringe and constitute a rather small number.

    Gerhard Adam
    I seriously doubt it.  If this survey is correct, then there's no limit to the things people from either political view will believe.

    Actually the left tends to appear more "pro-science" because they tend to embrace concepts like the environment/ecology, which are invariably couched in a belief in "nature".  While this isn't necessarily bad, it does give rise to a lot of anti-scientific views when it is coupled with the view that man is meddling with nature.
    Even if that is true (which I kind of doubt), you have to compare apples to apples. Denying evolution doesn't hurt anyone unless you are trying to get schools to stop teaching it (which only a small fringe do). Refusing vaccinations puts everyone at risk for those diseases because it reduces herd immunity. I think number anti-vaccine people is pretty high, though (especially when consider the number of people who define themselves as "liberal" http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/conservatives-single-largest-ideologic..., you might end up with half or more of those refusing vaccinations).

    Hank
    You have to examine percentage differences too.  The percentage of anti-vaccine, anti-GMO, anti-energy and pro-psychics, pro-UFO, etc. for the left is much higher than evolution or global warming on the right but the delta between them makes the 'anti-science' case.

    39% of the right denies evolution, for example, but so does 30% of the left - if you think it is overwhelmingly one side it is because science media (what is left of it) has chosen to spin it that way, the same way they spun that Republicans were anti-science because George Bush had a moral objection to hESC research and limited federal funding for it but left-wing groups that seek outright bans on their moral objections are not framed as being anti-science.

    As others note here and I have noted many times, evolution is not a national safety issue.  If some crank school tries to teach religion in science class it doesn't hurt anyone, America (and the world) were far more religious in the past, including teaching creationism, and it did not hurt us.  But the left wing people denying vaccines for their kids are putting people at real risk.
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    Gerhard Adam
    Instead of right or left, couldn't we divide it as "annoying" or "not annoying"?  The difference being that those that are not annoying are capable of disagreement and discussion, while those that are annoying think that making up their own facts is the same as research.
    With the clarification I am certainly more agreeable to your assertion the left is more anti science than the right but not entirely convinced. It seems to me there really are not any hard stats on these groups overall being anti-science. I guess I am ok with guesstimates. Why? Both sides have large groups of non rational people we need to be aware of.
    When I read, "there are more anti-vaccine people who vote Democrat than there are Republicans who deny evolution or global warming" I took that at face value as it reads. If 39% of republicans deny evolution those numbers would vastly outweigh the anti vaccine left. I understand now that isn't what you meant.

    Regarding teaching religion in science class not hurting anyone or creationism being taught as a science not being damaging I very much disagree with you. Those young minds are being deprived, no robbed of a proper science education. Future scientists who may even create a vaccine that would eliminate a disease may choose not to go into science. Having exceptional teachers has a significant impact on how young people direct their futures. Anyone who willfully teaches creationism as science is anti science.

    How people vote and who they vote for determines often what gets funded and what does not. We need to encourage rational thought and promote the sciences and move it out of politics. Allowing any anti science positions a free pass is something I am not willing to accept.

    Hank
    Regarding teaching religion in science class not hurting anyone or creationism being taught as a science not being damaging I very much disagree with you. Those young minds are being deprived, no robbed of a proper science education. 
    By this reasoning 100% of children in the past were denied a proper science education. That is not so.  Religion has always been part of the culture and it has been a conflict since the ancient Greek physis versus theologia schools.

    But so what?  Most biology teachers get evolution all wrong anyway - evolution is hard - and yet it doesn't kill education that they get it wrong.  High school students do not learn brain surgery or quantum mechanics either.  It isn't like some child inclined to like science would hear 'and maybe God created Earth 6,000 years ago' and suddenly abandon science and lobby against it.  Kids are smarter than they are given credit for being by the militant secularists who think there has been no benefit at all to a liturgical society and that kids of this generation are far more stupid than previous generations - which had a much greater religious slant.

    Religion is harmless, even intellectually - but a lack of vaccines kills people.
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    I can't agree religion is harmless. It promotes belief without proof. That is not the sort of thinking that needs to be promoted in science class.

    Lack of vaccines in fact kills people, I agree.

    I wonder what has killed more people? Religion or progressives (using your definition) not giving their kids vaccinations?

    I agree with you that kids are smarter than they are given credit. That being said most people stay in the religion they are raised in. Can you be a good scientist and believe in god? Sure you can. Profound numbers of scientists have believed in god but very few would think it is a good idea to teach creationism in a science class.

    "By this reasoning 100% of children in the past were denied a proper science education. " I am not speaking of the past.

    Gerhard Adam
    That is not the sort of thinking that needs to be promoted in science class.
    Nice sentiment, but impossible.  Unfortunately there is no "one size fits all" philosophy to govern this situation.  Some people will tend to be skeptical, while others tend to be gullible.  No amount of education is likely to change some of those basic traits.

    Religion and science operate in two separate domains, and don't represent a conflict.  Both sides tend to kill people when they are politicized.  So, the problem isn't that people don't "believe" in vaccines.  The problem is that these people think they are being scientific in their views [i.e. skeptics].

    Few religious people would think it's a good idea to teach creationism in a science class.  Primarily its a bad idea because it won't stand up to scientific scrutiny.  That's the funny part about religion.  Belief comes readily to those that don't examine it too closely.  However, the more closely it is examined, and explored, the less plausible it seems.  The creationists would destroy themselves if they ever achieved their objective.

    Religions have historically demonstrated their inability to agree on almost anything, so I'm not particularly worried about them suddenly replacing science.  Quite frankly, there's probably more crackpot scientists than there are religious freaks doing harm in this area.
    "Religion and science operate in two separate domains, and don't represent a conflict. Both sides tend to kill people when they are politicized."

    True... the problem is also when one tries to pass off as the other.

    Hank
    Progressives have only been around a hundred or so years so you are not really creating a fair metric.  In the few decades they had real cultural power they engaged in the forceful sterilization of 60,000 people just in the US - the Spanish Inquisition killed 2,200 people over the course of 350 years. Meanwhile, religion kept science alive throughout the dark ages and have contributed more to science than atheists by probably 100:1 (hard to say it isn't more because some in the past may have been secret atheists - but it won't be less).

    I also don't see any atheist groups putting boots on the ground when disasters strike in countries that don't make the NY Times coverage.  Religious groups do.

    Anti-vaccination is only a decade old so it isn't possible to have them kill thousands because rational people still give their kids vaccines and there is herd immunity hope for the anti-vaccine ones.  You don't see mainstream religion arguing against vaccines but the progressives who are overwhelmingly anti-vaccine are also overwhelmingly atheist.

    60% of US scientists are religious and a lot more worldwide.  I don't see my claim that 'kooks trying to teach religion in a few local school districts is not a national problem the way a growing anti-science movement is' has been disputed.  When you add the 60% of scientists who are religious with the number of scientists who have spouses that are religious, you see religion remains mainstream, without any impact to the quality of science.

    Obviously fundamentalism is a problem in other countries but atheists in America lamenting religion are basically the same as rich people giving away their old clothes and feeling like they have helped solve poverty - they have the luxury of not living a life where they are at risk. I would challenge the loud atheists always on the cultural attack to go to the mid-east and start telling religious people how stupid they are. Saying so in America is easy because no one will chop their head off.
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    Gerhard Adam
    I would challenge the loud atheists always on the cultural attack to go to the mid-east and start telling religious people how stupid they are. Saying so in America is easy because no one will chop their head off.
    So, your point is that they aren't just stupid, but they're also crazy?
    I fail to understand 2 things here. How do you compare 60,000 sterilizations to 2200 murders? I'll take sterlization over being murdered any day. Fair metric? Also, if you are limiting religion's murder to the Spanish Inquisition I have no hope of useful discourse here.

    "religion kept science alive throughout the dark ages? Interesting spin. After the Greek and Roman empires came to an end human advancement in Europe nearly came to a stand still. The passing of the torch to squabbling religious empires was a horrific tragedy filled with violence and repression of anything that didn't tow the religious world view at the time. If you were a scientist or a philosopher just even 400 years ago you had to alter your work to fit with church dogma. Sure, literacy was kept alive, science was kept alive because of religious groups in the dark ages and beyond but pathetically so. The scientific revolution pulled us out of that (amongst other things) and decade by decade religion became less relevant.

    I don't know why we/you are talking about Atheists. You are incorrect to think that religious groups contribute more to the social welfare of others. Our secular government and all the non profits it funds vastly outstrips any support religious groups give. What has lifted people out of poverty and suffering more than anything? A combination of very secular Capitalism, economic growth, taxation and science... not religion or religious charity. Don't get me wrong... I deeply value all the very good and decent religious people and organizations that contribute to the well being and health of others. I gladly stand shoulder to shoulder with them helping others.

    "progressives who are overwhelmingly anti-vaccine are also overwhelmingly atheist." Again the atheist piece... apparently you are focused on one group that doesn't follow religion. Of the dozens of Atheists I know they are all provaccination so on a purely anecdotal level this seems to be off to me. By the way Americans claim to be more religious than they are. There are droves of Atheists, Agnostics etc. sitting in pews every sunday.

    "I would challenge the loud atheists always on the cultural attack to go to the mid-east and start telling religious people how stupid they are. Saying so in America is easy because no one will chop their head off. " Again I don't know why Atheists are target here but you make my point about religion's promotion of rationality quite nicely.

    All that being said... I fully support your efforts to expose the anti-science left. Good niche! I love my vaccines, my meat (can't wait for meat without feet!), my GMO food etc. To me anti-science is anti-science left or right. It does seem however after reading a lot on this blog that you polarize people and actually may be working against your own efforts. You are producing a lot of reaction formations. But then maybe its about selling your book and any press is good press eh?

    One more thing, correlation is not causation. It does not follow that by virtue of being an Atheist it is necessarily the case you are pro-sterilization or anti-vaccine. While you didn't explicitly state that, I think it is important to call someone who is anti-vaccine simply just that, anti-vaccine. Why? You are gonna lose a lot of folks otherwise. People will look at your politics and write you off faster than you can make a sound argument.

    MikeCrow
    promote the sciences and move it out of politics.
    If the government is legislating scientific matters (ie vaccinations, and GMO labeling, etc), and funding scientific research (NSF, NASA, NIH, etc), there is not moving it out of politics.
    Never is a long time.
    Hank
    I certainly agree.  As the government discovered it could guide science research, it did - and as the political skew of academia moved more left, the more they like having the government control it.

    What's odd to me is why the rationalizations that go on about 'independence' - the right has its own 'government is awesome' beliefs, namely about government military spending but they do not pretend that they are more 'independent' because they are government contractors.
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    MikeCrow
    Also one of the founding goals of government was defense of the nation, nowhere does it say anything about funding science. I can see how that line can be blurred, but as practiced now, we've dipped almost the whole pack of paper in the paint.
    Never is a long time.
    Hank
    Well, I agree they were smart guys but they didn't anticipate everything.  Funding of science makes some sense now that didn't have relevance in 1787 - I regard science and technology as a strategic resource just like oil, food and guns so it's no surprise government would want to control it like they do those other things.
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    As someone who works in the medical science field, the vaccine stuff really drives me crazy. I've debated so many people on this topic, and you are correct - probably 90% of them were left-leaning politically.

    And for anyone who doubts that science media only goes after conservative anti-science people, here is an article I remember feeling a little chagrined about after reading: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21128302.900-stamp-out-antiscience...

    Hank
    Yep - and how many places noted Pres. Obama's vaccine-autism link stuff in 2008?  Here and Sense About Science.  Everyone else simply had the echo chamber stuff about the right wing. It's true the right has anti-science positions but a neutral person reading science media think only the three things in that article - from 2011, long after anyone stopped caring about hESC research - were all of the anti-science positions around.

    If PETA is against scientists, they just have a 'moral issue', they are not anti-science.  But George Bush, who had a moral issue with destroyed embryos yet still allowed it to be funded, and was called the science apocalypse while he doubled funding for the NIH.  
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    This is just a silly trick to avoid the fact that many liberals are anti-science and authoritarian - just look at any humanities dept. It is a cheat to get round this by redfining the term liberal so that it cannot be true and illicit to deceive people by using the redefined word as if it meant what is conventionally understood by the term liberal.

    Hank
    Progressives and liberals are not the same any more than conservatives and libertarians are the same.  Anything with the root liber is going to be more about freedom than social authoritarianism and both the left and the right have social authoritarians that simply wrap themselves in a flag of freedom. 

    By broadly calling 50% of America both liberal and social authoritarians we make the same mistake kooky progressive science bloggers make in calling all right wing people anti-science - it is shoddy understanding because people are not simply cookie cutter shapes placed on the left and right.

    There is a big difference between a goofy San Francisco progressive and a New York union cop - they can't both be liberals.
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    Here are some more wacky left wing myths that I've seen (a bit more on the specific side)
    1. Pharmaceuticals are all poison and there has never been any proven benefit for any pharmaceutical (all the "proof" is lies told by the evil pharma companies), including and especially cholesterol drugs, HIV drugs, and cancer drugs. [antibiotics are strangely left out, but these same people think that antibiotics are one of the primary sources of evil in our world because eating livestock that consumed antibiotics is equivalent to consuming pure poison]
    2. If you have cancer, all you need to do is make your blood alkaline and your cancer will melt away.
    3. Marijuana is a proven cure for cancer and pretty much all other ailments.
    4. All illness is caused by bad diet. A person who consumes a perfect diet (ie, organic food) will essentially be immortal.
    5. If you are fat, that is because of your unhealthy non-organic diet. If you are thin, that is because you are malnourished and need to eat more organic food in your diet.

    There is a caveat to rule 1 that I forgot: Birth control is the exception to all pharmaceuticals. It is good for you and if any research suggests otherwise, it is part of a vast right wing conspiracy to take away reproductive freedom.

    Gerhard Adam
    Unfortunately in your effort to provide myths, you didn't actually clarify the point you were tryihng to make.  The point being, that any of these are equally absurd when you take the purely opposing view.
    1. Pharmaceuticals are all poison and there has never been any proven benefit for any pharmaceutical (all the "proof" is lies told by the evil pharma companies), including and especially cholesterol drugs, HIV drugs, and cancer drugs. [antibiotics are strangely left out, but these same people think that antibiotics are one of the primary sources of evil in our world because eating livestock that consumed antibiotics is equivalent to consuming pure poison]
    So, I get that you're exaggerating, but plenty of pharmaceuticals have been shown to be detrimental, so your statement is a bit misplaced.  Eating antibiotics from livestock helps promote the problem of antibiotic resistant bacteria, so I'm not sure what your point is supposed to be.
    3. Marijuana is a proven cure for cancer and pretty much all other ailments.
    I don't think anyone's ever considered it a "cure", although it is blatantly stupid for the government to take a position on any drug in that fashion.  It appears that it has quite a few medicinal properties that are rabidly ignored by people that view these "drugs" as just an evil mechanism for addicts to get high.  Although it appears to be fine for right-wing talking heads to get addicted to prescription drugs and alcohol [or course, at that point the addiction becomes something more than can be peddled in their recovery book].
    4. All illness is caused by bad diet. A person who consumes a perfect diet (ie, organic food) will essentially be immortal.
    5. If you are fat, that is because of your unhealthy non-organic diet. If you are thin, that is because you are malnourished and need to eat more organic food in your diet.
    Again, there's certainly an element of truth to this, since eating healthier is obviously better.  Also, obesity is clearly a condition created by excessive calories which are normally acquired through unhealthy eating.  So, while hardly a miraculous conclusion it is true to an extent.

    I find such hyperbole to be less than useful.  Should I use anecdotes about right-wing rednecks that think it's OK to drink beer while they drive?  Should we drag out all the prejudices and bias' normally associated with right-wing extremists [like how being gay is against God]?


    UvaE
    Many of the above are exaggerations of misconceptions. You're probably being facetious to make a point... For instance:
    Marijuana is a proven cure for cancer and pretty much all other ailments. 
    I'm pretty sure that most people (left, right, first base) either realize that marijuana can alleviate some side effects from chemotherapy, or they are unaware of it. Very few actually believe weed can cure cancer. 
    I'm at work so I can't spend much time, but I can show you the multitudes of people who think all these things with no sarcasm. I'll start here: http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/5169.html

    The best place to prove my point is to find a Yahoo! article on a cancer break through, then read the comments below. There will literally be 1000s of comments with probably a 5:1 ratio of people saying things like "cyanide cures cancer, but big pharma doesn't want you to know" and "cancer isn't even real - it was a fake disease invented by big pharma to sell drugs", or "big pharma 'has' the cure, but they don't want to release it because they'll make more money selling these snake oil treatments" etc. Maybe I can dig one up and show you just how pervasive this mentality is in our culture. And I can assure you this attitude mostly comes from the left.