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    The World Is Not Woven From Real Stuff
    By Sascha Vongehr | April 25th 2011 10:10 AM | 31 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    Dr. Sascha Vongehr [风洒沙] studied phil/math/chem/phys in Germany, obtained a BSc in theoretical physics (electro-mag) & MSc (stringtheory)...

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    Why should there not be ‘stuff’, or ‘real things’ instead of weird quantum mechanics at some microscopic scale? In other words, how can we accept that direct realism is wrong without getting too ‘difficult’.

    Accepting that the world is in some sense in our minds is not aimed at encouraging ‘spirituality’ or whatever the euphemism for religious craziness is nowadays. I have none of that! Not even any switching on of consciousness once we add a little quantum magic to a zombie’s brain. There is indeed a deep connection* between consciousness and quantum physics, but for this article here, let’s forget about that connection.

    Nevertheless, the kind of scientism often advocated by science blogs, the feeling that facts are just out there in a really existing world, is strictly wrong. Philosophy knew it all along and physics has proven direct realism wrong, too. I am referring here to the Einstein Podolsky Rosen paradox and related experiments of course, the violation of the Bell inequality, and suchlike. However, how can a lay person best grasp that direct realism is wrong? That is difficult.

    Some merely claim that we need quantum mechanics so that the electron does not fall into the atom’s nucleus. Any classical electric charge would spiral into the atom's nucleus. The material that they make up would collapse. The wording often involves a kitchen table or chair, which is maybe some chauvinistic association between arguments for dummies and housewives: Without quantum mechanics, the kitchen table would collapse into itself.

    Well, how convincing is this argument? Does it convince you? It would not convince me without a severe dose of already knowing at least a bunch of electromagnetism. Why could there not be some other, more intuitive explanation of why atoms do not collapse? Could not some hard sphere model maybe keep the electrons from falling in plus some clever shielding that stops them from radiating a changing electromagnetic field while moving around the nucleus?

    The underlying question is, why could there not be ‘stuff’, or ‘real things’, made out of yet smaller stuff, instead of there being weird quantum mechanics at some microscopic scale? Why should we think that at some small scale, there are all of a sudden not objects bumping around in a world but instead consistency of histories to conscious observers or whatever pipe dream? After all, if the smallest layer is woven from dreams, all the larger things build out of it are just as ghostly figments of our imagination, and who would want to admit that while ranting against the religious?

    Here are some thoughts that might help:

    The moon circles the earth, but they cannot circle each other forever. Even if they were not to lose energy via gravitational waves and even if the sun were not to expand and eat them at some point in the future, they still would stop rotating around their axes and around each other. They would stop even in a classical world with Newtonian gravity.


    Why can’t they go on forever? Because they are made up of smaller things! The small constituents will always be wiggled around relative to each other due to the movement and the forces that distort the larger bodies that they make up.

    The earth’s rotation and the rotation of the moon around the earth for example lead to ebbs and floods (the tides), and so the rotational energy decreases. The moon always shows us the same face – its rotation relative to us has stopped already. Pluto and its moon Charon always show each other the same side.

    We can describe this slowing of motion in many ways, but the gist is: they lose movement because they are made up of smaller things. The smaller things have many more ways to move, many more degrees of freedom, and so the energy in the end will be sucked up by those smaller things, like the waves and their motion due to the tides, the temperature of the water and the rocks and so on. You can also just use forces to infer the same result – it does not hinge on any abstract consistency like the conservation of often mysterious seeming energy.

    I believe it is quite acceptable to anybody who feels much more comfortable with cozy classical stuff and real forces, anybody with a healthy suspicion of ‘tricky’, ‘philosophical’ sophistry: Things made out of smaller things will lose their orderly movement to the many internal movements possible inside themselves, because there are so many little things inside. After all, this is an everyday observation.

    You may now scream “Second law of Thermodynamics”, but I do not want to throw laws around, because this would just lead people to counter with objections like “What if energy is not conserved?” The whole motivation of the belief in intuitive ‘stuff’ instead of quantum physics is to reject mathematical trickery and preferring a good old mechanical picture that can be understood and thus trusted.



    Same for billiard balls on a pool table: They do not go on rolling and colliding for ever. Why? Because balls and table are out of smaller things, ‘real things’ that behave in classical, intuitive ways. The balls collide and heat up, which is nothing else but increasing the motion of the thingies inside: molecules for example.

    And here is the main point: If atoms also consisted of ‘real things’, of ‘stuff’ that behaves like stuff usually behaves, like billiard balls, and if the electrons were like moons around planets and all that, you should expect them to over time slow down while the smaller stuff inside of them heats up. Real stuff out of smaller real stuff slows down and collapses into a motionless heap over time.


    However, atoms and the electrons inside the atoms do not do that! Gas molecules never slow down if you do not give them ways to get rid of energy to somewhere outside of the gas cloud. They never lose energy into their internal bellies, because there are no things inside of them that could take that energy. They just bump and bump and bump into each other forever, and that implies that what they consist of is something that behaves very differently from how things behave in our ‘real world’.

    Many people entertain thoughts about whether there is another little universe in every electron or whether the world could be infinitely nested, smaller things nested in smaller things like Matryoshka dolls. No, at least not in any useful sense of the word exist, because the smaller things inside have to be completely decoupled from all interaction with the outside. If they are not completely decoupled, they would sense the outside influence and by that fact alone would slow the outside down.

    Objections about that the little components might as well give the energy cleverly back in an orderly way are against the motivation behind ‘real stuff’ in the first place. If you need little fairies inside the atoms to make your ‘stuff’ work, it is precisely not normal ‘stuff’ anymore.

    The only way that there are smaller things inside smaller things inside smaller things is the quantum way: At some point there are entities that we may occasionally conveniently describe as if they are usual things (electrons, quarks, gluons, maybe strings) but that aren’t “things” as much as mathematical constructs, descriptions of properties that together are consistent within a stable world. They are not ‘stuff’ or even just a substance at all.

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    Now let me criticize this right away so you do not have to. Of course this is not a proof of anything. That stuff out of smaller stuff would slow down and leave nothing but a dead heap reminds of entropy death. Surely we should not commit to a fallacy similar to the argument against Darwinian evolution that draws on a death that only needs to occur after gazillion eons.

    There is in principle nothing wrong with assuming a classical stuff-world where the coupling between two particular size scales, say the electrons and the strings that they are woven from, is so tiny that it all slows down on a time scale much longer than as yet physically observable durations.

    Sure, there is no lay-level reasoning that can substitute for looking at real atoms and their electric charge distributions and at some point realizing that no real-stuff model could ever describe it, let alone still be more intuitive than the quantum description. And lack of intuitiveness is one of the main charges leveled against quantum mechanics.

    So let me stress again, this post may help some to embrace quantum mechanics and its destruction of realism as somewhat more ‘intuitive’, or less unexpected than one may have thought before, but it isn’t a proof  –  just some science outreach.

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    *all phenomenal consciousness requires fundamentally a quantum description, but this is not important for this article. This is a little further explored in the no deeper consciousness and simulation hypothesis articles, without presenting the difficult core argument however.

    Comments

    rholley
    Indeed, there have been valiant attempts, from Eddington onwards, to get across the weirdness of the quantum world.  It would be nice if they could be re-published, but revised so as to remove mistaken impressions.  For instance, Gamow in the Mr Tompkins series puts across Heisenberg uncertainty as arising from the act of measurement.  Things like that need to be put right.

    Penrose, nearly half way through The Road to Reality, invents the term quanticle to cover things that behave in a quantum way.  Most of the book is mathematics – I jumped off the train when he brought in fibre bundles.

    And it doesn’t help when youngsters are fed half baked idea-bites in order to have something to churn out at exam time. 

    Anyway, here’s a poem which expresses the frustration:
    As I was walking up the stair,
    I met a man who wasn’t there.
    He wasn’t there the other day:
    I wish that man would go away.
    Robert H. Olley Quondam Physics Department University of Reading England
    vongehr
    "Indeed, there have been valiant attempts, from Eddington onwards, to get across the weirdness of the quantum world."
    I wish one could focus on the non-weirdness of quantum physics and instead stress the inconsistency of a classical worldview instead, as I tried here. Same with relativity: Once one really understands it, it is obviously the classical (here read: non-relativistic) view that is weird (infinite instantaneous interactions, twins that age exactly the same without any synchronizing interaction, ...).

    I do not see that republishing famous stuff has any justification. The mistakes are not just a few details but at the very core. Your Gamow example shows that beautifully. The guy basically did not understand the core of quantum physics; he obviously has a totally classical worldview where things are certain except we cannot measure them accurately. So, Mr. Tompkins belongs in the trash, not republished with some minor improvements.
    vongehr
    BTW, regarding "quanticle", I find David Deutsch's qubit being a truly multiversial entity much more thought through. Roger has jumped the shark trying to come up with one book after the other. David is still with half a toe on the ground (lets just forget his horrible TED talk).
    Sascha said: "I wish one could focus on the non-weirdness of quantum physics. . . "

    There's the rub. Lay, read non-scientific, folks are only attracted by the weirdness. The marvels that we see in QM are lost to the majority precisely because they can't get a handle on it. They have been fed a more or less steady diet of the strange, like the many worlds interpretation, entanglement, and so on and on and on.

    Who is at fault for that? Some science journalists, for sure. Some physics professors, for sure. Some motion picture producers, for absolutely sure (think 'What the bleep do we know').

    If more emphasis, at the time, could have been given to the prediction of, and subsequent development of, things like the field effect transistor, lasers, plasma cutting torches, and a lot more, then MAYBE there would be a more general acceptance of QM. The magic and hocus pocus effect would likely have been mitigated.

    Then again, it's probably just wishful thinking on my part.

    My arrow of time was pointing back over my shoulder. Nothing can be done about the past failings. Much could be done in future dealings with QM and the general public.

    vongehr
    "a more or less steady diet of the strange, like the many worlds interpretation, entanglement"
    Uncertainty can be emergent, quantization can be topological; only non-local entanglement cannot be modeled classically and is thus the very core of QM. Also, the MWI has been distorted and hyped, but at its core, it is Everett relativity, which is an absolutely necessary modification of modal terminology, no more than entering all possibilities (also not for us actualized ones) into the description, like a truly fundamental description should be expected to do if it wants to model totality as far as possible. Moreover, it is classical as long as the different possibilities (branches if you like) do not interfere, which brings us back to entanglement. So, entanglement cannot be left out of QM, but it can be presented with much less woo than it usually is.
    Agreed. But the weird seeming parts have been sensationalized without being explained well.

    Anon said: "There are many who do not fit this description who get two kinds of information."

    Are you saying that the scientific folks are attracted by the weirdness? Or, are you saying I shouldn't have used the word 'only'?

    I submit that there are many more than two kinds of information presented today. What I'm trying to convey, unsuccessfully so far, is my perception of the problems of attracting the attention of the common man. There are vast numbers of entities clamoring for the eyes and ears of the public today. It seems that something, QM for instance, must really stand out to be noticed.

    If the information is star-studded, sensational, deeply emotional, or just plain weird, it has a better chance of being seen and heard. And, as we know, seeing and hearing doesn't imply understanding.

    As for the question of the teaching, I'll let the teachers answer for themselves.

    Getting derailed while writing a blog post is a fairly common occurrence. You can give Sascha a break or not.

    BTW, in case you didn't know that I know that there can be more than one reason to write a blog post, I do know.

    UvaE
    A good outreach article indeed!
    rholley
    A good outreach article indeed!
    But what about the author? 

    In terms of science, even from this exchange, I’ve learned a lot.  For one thing, the defects in Gamow’s Tompkins books are much deeper than I had realized.  If somehow one could retain his entertaining style, and something of the Tompkins storyline, but get the science re-written from the core outwards.

    And someone has to get qubits, entanglement etc. presented in a digestible manner.  Alas, I even find myself choking on the EPR experiment.

    However, as I seem to remember someone saying, Sascha takes no prisoners.  So while Frank comes across correctly on the matter of media presentation of QM, does Sascha really ‘deserve a break’?

    Even his reaction to the use of the word ‘weird’ conjures in my mind the picture of a mad Viennese doctor determined to re-program the entire human race.
    Robert H. Olley Quondam Physics Department University of Reading England
    Gerhard Adam
    Perhaps I'm missing something, but it seems that many of these posts are trying to gain answers to questions that have already been answered.  In other words, it seems that people are trying to view the article as a vehicle to make things more "real" instead of recognizing that the point is that our sense of "realism" is what is wrong.

    It is the QM world that represents "reality" and consequently we need to stop trying to take our local experience of the world and make physics fit it.    It's not that QM is weird, but rather it is that our assumptions regarding what is "real" is "weird" and attempts to operate against the actual "reality" of the universe.
    vongehr
    I mean by "real stuff" basically philosophical direct realism (physically: relativity with local hidden variables). You now enter that QM is the reality, which is fine if you like to use the word "reality" in this way, but that goes off into philosophical terminology (structural realism, ...) that I find totally useless when it comes to say telling my father why he should not brush of QM as nonsense on grounds of that it is all ghostly and not like 'physical stuff' behaves.
    blue-green
    A fair amount of QM is familiar and ordinary, at least to kids today (even if they are not aware of it). Take for example the way everything is discrete, either 0001110101 or 0001110100. No fudging in between. When kids copy files, music and pictures, with 100% perfect fidelity, they have no idea how difficult, expensive and delicate it was to strive for such fidelity back in the analog days with tape recorders … or much further back copying illuminated manuscripts … or word of mouth. The quantization of parts and labor is the heart and soul of the industrial revolution, Colt Revolver and affordable Model T’s …. and now it's ubiquitous with chain stores and cookie cutter restaurants. I miss the classical world. Efficiency is all about interchangeable bits that don’t age …. Death, where has thy sting gone? What would Shakespeare stay? One can travel from NY to Cairo only to find more of the same, unless one has an eye for what is classical … and nostalgic. Soon enough it will be the classical remnants that are strange and unfamiliar ~~ disentangled ~~ and rich with the local colors of lost places and times ~~ back when place and time mattered.
    vongehr
    Kitty is confusing issues again. Being used to digital information fosters the belief that maybe there is a digital fundamental basis. However, neither do data storage devices use quantization due to quantum mechanics, nor is quantum mechanics as yet understood to be based on the world being digital!
    Yes, some who are awestruck by holography and the mystery of black holes (there is one here featured on Science2.0) do claim the dogma that the world is digital. Quantum logic researchers like David Deutsch however point out that the QM phases must be continuous! I am not saying that I agree, but QM=digital world cannot be presented as the scientific consensus. As far as experiments show, QM is totally linear (unitary), and that means basically it is not digital. Deutsch argues explicitely for "continuous" and against "discrete".
    MikeCrow
    I think stuff is made of intertwined fields of force that holds itself together.

    Do you have a blog that explains what you think it's made of?
    Never is a long time.
    vongehr
    I think there certainly are kinds of 'stuff' that allow descriptions that involve "intertwined fields of force that holds itself together" and that they are satisfactory as long as you do not ask how the force fields originate and what "is made of" may fundamentally mean and all those nagging but often pointless questions.
    The usefulness of such descriptions for their respective purposes is however no argument against descriptions that are equally or more (self-)consistent yet quite different, for example conceivable ones that would put the question of what stuff is made of as beside the point since stuff is a concept of your mind in that description.
    I think conceptual duality maybe comes closest to this point.
    rholley
    May I put in a word for Sascha’s dolls here?

    The Russians have, over the last few decades, been making sets of political dolls.  An example from the 90s might go, from the outside, Yeltsin, Gorbachev, Brezhnev, Stalin, Lenin: the message being, however things may appear to change on the surface, it’s really just the same old thing.

    However, when one digs deeper in science, it really is NOT the same old thing.  As one digs deeper, things inexplicable by classical physics appear.  Take the case of how Max Planck dealt with black body radiation.
    While in Berlin Planck did his most brilliant work and delivered outstanding lectures. He studied thermodynamics, in particular examining the distribution of energy according to wavelength. By combining the formulae of Wien and Rayleigh, Planck announced in October 1900 a formula now known as Planck's radiation formula. Within two months Planck made a complete theoretical deduction of his formula renouncing classical physics and introducing the quanta of energy. On 14 December 1900 he presented his theoretical explanation involving quanta of energy at a meeting of the Physikalische Gesellschaft in Berlin. In doing so he had to reject his belief that the second law of thermodynamics was an absolute law of nature, and accept Boltzmann's interpretation that it was a statistical law. In a letter written a year later Planck described proposing the theoretical interpretation of the radiation formula saying:-

    ... the whole procedure was an act of despair because a theoretical interpretation had to be found at any price, no matter how high that might be.

    Planck received the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1918 for his achievement.
    Now as taught in high school physics, this may be presented as if this was a deus ex machina brought in to make a bad plot work.  But it is not.  It is how “stuff” as we know it behaves, and at that level it is not as collections or aggregations of “mini-stuff”.  If I was in a rush to go somewhere, I would say “it’s made of mathematics”.  Moreover, it’s complex (in the Eulerian sense) mathematics, so here I take a brief aside to throw a wet lettuce at Descartes for calling the square root of minus one “imaginary”.

    I remember a story by James Blish where the crew of a spaceship found themselves landed on an electron in an atom of oxygen.  They were able to detect the distress that the weight of the ship (and themselves) was causing the inhabitants of that electron.  But that is fantasy.
    Robert H. Olley Quondam Physics Department University of Reading England
    The Stand-Up Physicist
    I am fine with the prose. The images look like they were borrowed from others. It is these images that I think are misleading. The standard visuals for quantum mechanics do not make sense. All the math does. That is my assessment of the state of affairs. Until our images of quantum mechanics have precisely the same information content as our math, feel free to fight this difficult battle.
    blue-green
    Here is another example of how quantum intuition is supplanting classical intuitions, regardless of whether Gamow delayed the lesson by echoing Heisenberg’s microsope that is in all standard texts.  Bohr had reservations from the beginning as to its educational value to get us UP a Level or two, as Sascha is so want to do. No worries. Kids catch on anyways. Quantum intuition on superposition is as natural and ubiquitous today as is Multi-tasking and the humdrum experience of having many Windows™ open at the same time. Do they interfere with one another? As Sarah Palin would say, “You Betcha”! Want another example? Is social media woven from real stuff? No, not really. The smart phones or feminine i-pads are necessary hardware, but they are updated and tossed off on a regular basis. The action is in software code, and even that is not localized, … it’s in The Cloud. Again, all very quantum-like. So regardless of the failures of early books on popularizing the lessons of the quantum, kids today get it and are living it. >i< There Sascha, I have now included continuous phases for you. And yes, when dealing with bounded states, discrete sets of quantum numbers are in the math and in the devices. We are only a little ways in the golden age of Solid State physics, quantum dots and all that fun stuff .... still waiting for transparent aluminum. A stronger objection you could have raised Sascha, is how the ease of copying digital information hides from one’s intuition the impossibility of copying a quantum state. Imagine telling a counterfeiter or hacker that something cannot be copied, not even in principle. Kind of makes me want to revisit the no-cloning theorem to see what makes it tick. OK. I took a look and see that it is about the impossibility of cloning UNKNOWN states, something that no counterfelter would be interested in anyways.
    vongehr
    Your message here is that kids have it much easier to understand that the world is not out of stuff because they grew up in the information age. That is precisely what I tell people for many years now, namely that in a sense, this anti AI blah blah and so on is no more than a generation conflict. No surprise, the old farts want to hear none of it, because they think years of experience trumps everything, regardless of whether it is 100 years stone age or not. In fact, I told this my official boss here just last week, more friendly and very veiled of course, but basically the message was: thanks for the offer to translate some of my stuff instead of the PhD student I wanted, but sadly you are too old to really get your silly head around any of it.
    "cloning UNKNOWN states, something that no counterfelter would be interested in anyway"
    Somebody who wants to spy and listen in on a communication wants exactly that.
    Here is an excerpt from an essay by the great theoretical physicist and 2010 Dirac Medal winner George Sudarshan

    "Language and Distortion:

    Such a realisation of the importance of processes is even more significant in the quantum world where the dynamically attributes like position and motion are identified with processes; specifically the processes of changing the motion and changing the position respectively. When such a unification comes we cannot simultaneously be specifying both qualities at the same time. This is sometimes called the "Heisenberg uncertainty principle".

    Such an uncertainty principle is not a lack of precision in itself but only the impression that arises in expression in common language. It is like charting a path on the globe by a line on the map on a plane sheet of paper. The map distorts, different kind of map projections distort differently. But there is no distortion on the globe itself. This simple example is true of all attempts to give conventional descriptions of quantum processes. Sometimes people go to extraordinary sophistications of logic and propositional calculus to make up for the inappropriateness of the language. So one can overcome some of the difficulties by using the appropriate language, often a mathematical language.

    Even in everyday life we come across the need for perception to become more comprehensive. If we look at a solid sculpture from one perspective we get one view, from another perspective another view. These are different views. Their reconciliation comes in a three dimensional union of all these views. Reality has such a nature. No one view is complete but the conglomeration of all of them reconciled in one view at a higher level of organisation. Poetic and other artistic creation facilitates this synthetic process.

    Can one think in quantum language itself? While most people would say no, it is my impression that many of us can and do. But can we express the thoughts in sequential steps in ordinary language? Probably not. Between pasyani and vykhari it gets lost.

    It is often true that when we ask for the results of measurement on a physical system we can only give a probabilistic answer. For example we ask for the number of radioactive decays in a given time. For the number of counts on a photodetector illuminated with steady light we get a variety of answers with definite probability distribution. So does this mean that we can talk about a stochastic process? Such a description is very practical, with the neglected correlations with the surroundings being built into the stochastic process. But it turns out that such descriptions are not to be possible at all levels. For example in the celebrated two-slit interference experiment where suitable light is illuminating two parallel slits. The light from these two slits fall on a screen where the interplay of the light from the two paths lead to a band of alternate light and dark patches. The pattern is called an "interference pattern". If we consier a photon (the quantum of light) it has a 50% probability of going through each slit.
    However these probabilities cannot account for the intensity pattern except for the points halfway between the bright and dark fringe. Thus a sequence of quantum events do not always have a probabilistic description. In the rare cases that it has we talk of "decoherence". The study of decoherence is a very active research frontier at this time. In other cases it is not meaningful to even assign a probability distribution to dynamical variables. In their place quantum mechanics allows the concept of probability amplitudes. As mentioned before, if one has to "perceive" the quantum system in terms of amplitudes everything works well. Comprehension demands the escalation of our conceptual repertoire."

    ujm
    Hallo Sascha, you wrote:
    Some merely claim that we need quantum mechanics so that the electron does not fall into the atom’s nucleus. Any classical electric charge would spiral into the atom's nucleus. The material that they make up would collapse.... Well, how convincing is this argument? Does it convince you? It would not convince me without a severe dose of already knowing at least a bunch of electromagnetism. Why could there not be some other, more intuitive explanation of why atoms do not collapse?
    Here is another, more intuitive explanation of why atoms do not collapse. — Best, Ulrich
    "or some such irrelephants" According to Wikipedia, "irrelephants" are a rare breed of atheist elephant. Who knew such existed!? RLO
    rholley
    Who knew such existed!?
    These people, apparently:
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=irrelephant

    But I suspect this is the original:



    The Irrelephant

    Discovered by the explorers Erhardt Heinz and MacDonald Flanderswann in the Afrozonian rainforest, while searching for a rumoured giant gorilla known as the Erlkong.
    Robert H. Olley Quondam Physics Department University of Reading England
    You wrote:
    "No, at least not in any useful sense of the word exist, because the smaller things inside have to be completely decoupled from all interaction with the outside. If they are not completely decoupled, they would sense the outside influence and by that fact alone would slow the outside down.

    Objections about that the little components might as well give the energy cleverly back in an orderly way are against the motivation behind ‘real stuff’ in the first place. If you need little fairies inside the atoms to make your ‘stuff’ work, it is precisely not normal ‘stuff’ anymore."

    But why should we assume that the natural path for energy to distribute is from the big to the small? Why not from the small to the big? I mean, it's energy moving form some degrees of freedom to other degrees of freedom. It's unexplained why it should choose only a one way trip from macro to micro degrees of freedom. As far as we know there could be gnomes doing the job, why would you conceptually need gnomes for the upwards transfer of energy and not for the downwards? The only real reason is experience: we know it is so by experience and because of that we call it a law, the second law, but what is the real physical content of it?: that the transfer of energy in average prefers to go from some degrees of freedom to others and not the way back, at least statistically, isn't it?

    On the other side a certain decoupling with the smaller happens and the different degrees of freedom become incommunicated so that protons are the same as the first ones (except when humans concentrate energy artificially and produce new things at the cost of an enormous amount of entropy).

    Hey, keep with your interesting reflections and posts about physics, you bring some fresh air to the blogosphere!
    Enrique

    vongehr
    Dear Enrique, thank you very much for your encouragement.
    "why should we assume that the natural path for energy to distribute is from the big to the small? ..."
    It distributes over all the degrees of freedom (DOF) there are without preference, however, the big stuff is an arrangement of small stuff, and by that reason alone it has much less DOF. In other words: The small stuff has many more, namely all the DOF of the big stuff and the vastly more plentiful DOF between the many small components that the large thing is just the average over. So, it is not so much the energy actually but, as you stated, to do with entropy. In fact, look at billiard balls, there isn't much energy inside the motion of the large stuff compared with all the heat energy that is already in the small stuff. If it were just the amounts that count for example, energy would certainly want to go from the small to the big.
    I did not want to bring in entropy, because it is almost as mysterious as quantum physics to most. But sure, order and entropy are the underlying concepts. The small stuff could and does give energy back sometimes to the large motion, but since it does not know or care how the large stuff moves, the small stuff gives it energy for moving into all the possible directions, which is seldom the one direction the large stuff already happens to move in.
    Quantum Mechanics is indeed counterintuitive, and your attempt to help its understanding is commendable, since there is actually very little in our "folk knowledge" of naturallaws that can prepare our minds to the "weirdness" of MQ.
    However, I believe that it is simply not true that the case for realism is hopeless; in fact, I believe the contrary, namely that the case for strumentalism is inherently flawed. The logical flaws of "Copenhagen interpretation" of MQ are known, and unsolvable in my view. Other approaches to non-realism are possible, but far for compelling.

    What is "certainly" true is that any theory of fundamental physics, in order to be consistent with current observation, must be nonlocal, and must accommodate a number of nontrivial phenomena that are incompatible with any "intuitive" theory. But the fact that the final theory must be counterintuitive does not imply that it must abandon physical realism; Bohm/Bell theories are an example of a realist, yet viable approach to QM interpretation, and Ghirardi&C theory of physical collapse of the wavefunction is a way to preserve determinism. So, let's not overstate the philosophical implications of QM, until a sound theory of "reality" is proposed.

    Hurt my brain is doing now..... but brain inside hurt slow down not outside OUCH is.

    My observation from the article and the comments.

    A lot of existers (for a better term) trying to understand existence.

    The word exist (whatever be the etymology) could be broken up as ex-est - only externally exist.

    Another observation - nothingness is unstable, so it will immediately give way to something. Nothing is not the opposite of everything. It is one of the states of everything. Or, maybe the sumtotal of everything.

    My iown thoughts - we act because we feel - feeling may be the reason and the substance of existence.

    I'm curious: What happens in a universe where conscious beings simply do not exist (consider, e.g. the environment of the Big bang)?

    Or, what happens to the "unreal" universe when all conscious beings have died?