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    Why I Am Peter Gleick
    By Patrick Lockerby | February 22nd 2012 08:59 AM | 35 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    Why I Am Peter Gleick

    When your opponent has dipped his gloves in glue and glass and has kicked you in the nuts, most people would agree that if you depart somewhat from the Queensbury rules the other side has no right to complain about your ethics.

    Far too many ordinary people are allowing sqeptics - quasi-skeptics - to do their thinking for them.  Some things are really too horrible to contemplate.  How easy it is to accept any seemingly plausible snippet from a seemingly plausible source if it explains the nasty thing away as an illusion or hoax.


    A truly skeptical practitioner of law or science looks at all the evidence and then tries very hard to weigh all that evidence critically but fairly.  The true skeptic does not allow personal bias to influence the outcome of the analysis.

    Denial is a psychological defense against personally unacceptable truths.  If an individual can't personally accept the damage we are doing to our planet, fine.  But when powerful vested interests seek to leverage psychological denial as a weapon against scientists, against democracy and against the public interest then it is the duty of every rational human being to oppose them.  When I use the term 'denialist' I mean to refer to anybody who is using propaganda to shill for corporate interests.  I am ready with many others to stand up to the propagandist shills and to say, with a host of other climate protection activists:

    I am Peter Gleick.



    The Heartland Institute's president, Joseph Bast, is a hypocritical blustering bully.  Instead of apologizing to the public for spreading disinformation about climate science and for providing a repository for the garbage spouted by "experts" who are much like that proven liar Monckton, he is instead threatening to sue just about everyone on the internet who has even mentioned denialgate.

    So sue me! 
    But first, may I recommend a good book?


    Speaking of spreading disinformation and providing a repository for "experts", maybe the GWPF - which shares many "experts" with the Heartless Institute - could also issue a public apology for being a propaganda mill?  I don't think anyone should hold their breath.


    Meanwhile, the morlock minions of the Moloch empire still fail to tell their audience about the revelation that the Heartland Institute is telling porkies in return for goodies.  And as if that wasn't bad enough, Gina Rinehart is taking great strides towards buying Ludicrous Maximus a nice shiny new propaganda machine so he can race it in the Global Warming Stakes.

    Comments

    Hank
    the morlock minions of the Moloch empire still fail to tell their audience about the revelation that the Heartland Institute is telling porkies in return for goodies
    Love that!

     I don't agree with some of this, though - I think science should be held to a higher standard than a partisan think tank and therefore the reaction from inside science should be harsher toward one of its own than it is toward cranks who exist to foment doubt about global warming the same way anti-science GM food types exist to foment doubt about food. 

    I think, if it turns out as believed even among sympathetic types, Gleick invented the supposed summary he got mailed - and that these Heartland people claim does not exist - you don't actually want to be him.  Lying and cheating to get real information is one thing - if it was right for people to do it to East Anglia or for Wikileaks to do it to everyone, it was right to do it to Heartland - inventing false documents because the issue is Just Too Important is clearly wrong.
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    MikeCrow
    inventing false documents because the issue is Just Too Important is clearly wrong

    Because it poisons the well, that's the real shame in all of the crap being dished out as science, there are real issues with the environment, and we will need a replacement for oil, but they pissed in their bed, and it's going to be twice as hard for anyone to believe them when the time comes.
    Never is a long time.
    If it weren't painfully obvious that Gleick himself authored the strategy memo, I'd think you might have a point about his ethics. Maybe the HI institute doesn't have a right to complain about Gleick's ethics -- although it appears they're more willfully ignorant than deliberately unethical. But people like me -- who have to depend on climate scientists' opinions and second-hand information on global warming to make an informed decision -- most certainly have a right to complain. Nothing the HI has done justifies Gleick lying to the public at large. His self-serving, humble-bragging, cya apology only makes it worse.

    rholley
    Zo!   Christopher Monckton is ze grandson of Walter Monckton, 1st Viscount Monckton of Brenchley (1891–1965).  Nice to have that bit of history.

    That looks like a good book to read.  One you might be interested in is Electric Universe by David Bodanis.  Chapters 7 and 8 are about radar in WW2.  One salient sentence is about how Lord Cherwell maintained his influence over Churchill: he had the knack of getting great men to accept his ideas by getting them to think that they had thought of them themselves, and how clever of them to have done so.  Don’t be put off by the two bad Amazon UK customer reviews: I found a lot to interest me in it.
     


    Robert H. Olley Quondam Physics Department University of Reading England
    Gleick you're out to lunch. The only thing you did was damage your cause. You need mental help, you are mentally unfit.

    Doing what you did, ie, forgery, makes you look bad, makes the cause you advocate look bad. You taint yourself and your cause with this. You're as bad as the fundies on the right with their Jebus crap. You are mentally ill.

    The thing is, the East Anglia dox were real. The Atlantic (which is not right leaning in the least) looked at the dox and said it's fake

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/02/heartland-memo-looki...

    They can tell it was xeroxed in CALIFORNIA.

    mhlongmeyer
    Patrick, very sporting of you to inform us that we can never again believe a single thing you write because you might just be lying to support what you view as a good cause.
    Well, perhaps Science 3.0 will come with a restored honesty module.

    HedgehogFive
    Both Nazis and Kommies use lies for what they see as the greater good. 
     
    The difference is that Communism is more attractive to the self-deceiving.

    Hi Patrick,

    Impeach Woodward and Bernstein!

    You couldn't make it up.

    We are Peter Gleick's nuts and we're in great pain, mostly self-inflicted!

    Hi Patrick,

    There would seem to be two possibilities:

    A. Gleick was in receipt of the 2012 Climate Strategy Document BEFORE he was sent the corrobative evidence;

    B. Gleick faked the 2012 CSD AFTER obtaining the rest of the cache, to "spice up the dossiers".

    http://www.desmogblog.com/evaluation-shows-faked-heartland-climate-strat...

    There are several obvious objections to scenario B. Like... why bother?

    Scenario A seems to me much more likely, and is probably forensically provable. If you can prove it...

    vongehr
    This is precisely how you help to let people ever more perceive science and science media (now also Science2.0 - who featured this rant?) as politically biased. As I told you in my comment on your last post and as Hank above also told you (implicitly), and like I told Dorigo recently again in relation to the issue of religious culture, if you blow some stuff that you do not like about people you do not like out of proportion but consistently fail to criticize the much worse crap that your own side is doing, you will do nothing but polarize, which always supports the enemy of reason more than the reasonable side!!!

    After these two posts, nobody in their right mind can trust anything you write about climate issues again. This is not Politics2.0.
    Thor Russell
    I think also that you must hold yourself to higher standards then the opposing side. You will also make yourself less objective and perhaps fall for some alarmist exaggeration also ruled out by evidence to seem consistent.
    I look forward to an article of yours mentioning the following now:
    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/02/2011-updates-to-model-data-comparisons/ 

    (These people sure aren't denialists)
    or this
    http://www.livescience.com/18604-cloud-heights-declining.html 



    Thor Russell
    I find it odd a scientist of all things - a specialist in the empirical science of hydrology no less - to be so sloppy in his forgery. To counterfeit a digital document is not so hard. A script-kiddie could have embedded/modded the right metadata into the 'memo' using same from the actual Heartland docs.

    But to pull all that off - and then QA it versus your own tests - takes methodology, process control, understanding the subject at hand in detail from finish to end...you know, like a scientist doing an experiment? Does anyone else find the slop so bad as to discredit the abilities of the man? Just a terrible, sloppy effort here forgetting the ethics.

    Um... your argument appears to be that "Our enemies are bad, so anything goes".

    And you can't see a problem with that?

    "your argument appears to be that "Our enemies are bad, so anything goes"."

    For a more complete look at the moral issues, this is pretty good. http://planet3.org/2012/02/22/the-morality-of-unmasking-heartland/

    mhlongmeyer
    A "more complete look"? The article talks only about whistleblowing, while completely omitting the central moral issue: outright forgery.
    So Gleick has confessed to obtaining the genuine Heartland documents through deceptive means.... But he still maintains that the fake "confidential strategy memo" was sent to him by an anonymous source, and that he only obtained the Heartland documents in an attempt to verify the memo. This won't hold up, because Gleick still doesn't understand the meta-data that tripped him up. The fake strategy memo was created about a day before the documents were released, which appears to be well after Gleick pilfered the genuine documents. That fits with McArdle's impression that the fake memo was created by cutting and pasting facts from the other documents. Which implies that Gleick was the forger.
    [from http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/02/23/fakegate_global_warmists_try_to_hide_their_decline_113225.html]
    The 'strategy' memo was originally singled out for special attention because it wasn't "created" at all as the rest of the documents were. It was scanned.

    I don't see how anyone can determine the when-was-it-written-or-created-or-transmitted information for a document that was introduced into the set as a scan of a hard copy.

    Hank
    The 'strategy' memo was originally singled out for special attention because it wasn't "created" at all as the rest of the documents were. It was scanned.
    It was singled out because it was an obvious fake. Only the Dan Rather contingent is still insisting it must be accurate even though it is fake. The only question is who faked it.  Look for more elaborate conspiracy tales like that Heartland faked it themselves and gave it to the guy in order to make kooky zealots look like they faked it.

    At the end of the day, partisan think tanks are partisan.  The only people inclined to believe Heartland were believing them anyway.  The same goes for Union of Concerned Scientists, though. Anyone insisting one is really, really bad while the other is justified just tells us how they vote. 
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    At the end of the day, partisan think tanks are partisan. The only people inclined to believe Heartland were believing them anyway. The same goes for Union of Concerned Scientists, though. Anyone insisting one is really, really bad while the other is justified just tells us how they vote.

    I don't think establishing yourself purely and simply to oppose action to restrain the excesses and dishonesty of tobacco companies - as Heartland did in 1984 - entitles you to any equivalence with other tax-exempt organisations. The fact that they still solicit and receive funds from tobacco companies should tell you something .

    Wearing the clothing of lofty statements about the virtues of your stated ideological and political stance does nothing to alter the reek of stale tobacco smoke. Most respectable Republicans abandoned support for tobacco a very long time ago.

    If Heartland wants to claim equal moral standing with other charitable organisations they should do a complete rethink and discard this kind of baggage. Defending the Joe Camel campaign still, after so many years, is a pretty clear sign that they're not serious about taking any of the higher ground available to them in public debate.

    Ring.... Ring...
    [Patrick's mother answers the phone]
    Hello
    Oh, Hi Patrick, how are you, dear. Are you coming over this weekend to help your father paint the garage?
    What? Oh? I'm sorry to hear that? Why not?
    No, really! Someone kicked you?
    What? Who did that? Glass?
    Wait, slow down a minute. Who exactly that kicked you in your WHAT?
    Now just hold your horses there, Mr. Patrick Lockerby, I will not listen to that kind of talk.
    Okay, I forgive you. Now, you can use the word testicles, okay? I don't like that much better, but at least it's not as vulgar.
    So they kicked you down there? But why would they do that?
    I don't understand. Listen, do you want to talk to your father? He's right here, he's been listening and he's looking up the number for the sheriff.
    Oh!
    Oh! I see. So then no one really kicked you...
    Okay, but what was that about glue and glass?
    Okay, okay, like a metaphor, then. Yes.
    Oh, oh I see, yes, I see, so they disagreed with you. Well honey, that kind of thing happens all the time. Didn't we ever teach you...
    Oh, well, yes that sounds very mean, and, well, okay, yes, yes that's practically like the same thing.
    I see.
    Do they hurt?
    I understand. You poor baby. Those meanies. Listen, your father thinks... what?
    Well, now honey, I wouldn't do that. You know how the police get if you waste their time.
    But remember when you tried to get them to arrest your sister for calling you "poopy pants" in the 4th grade that day you had that accident at the school assembly?
    Yes, I know it hurts, honey. But you're my big boy now. Let's put on our brave face, shall we?
    Try rubbing on some of that salve I sent over last month for the other thing?
    No, we don't have to talk about that.
    Yes, try that.
    Yes, I mean right now.
    Okay, is that making it feel better?
    Okay good, honey. That's what we mom's are for.
    Yes, okay, yes dear. Oh, by the way, your father would like his Spartacus DVD back.
    Yes, just bring it back next time you come home. Okay?
    Good bye. Bye now.
    [Patrick's mommy hangs up the phone]

    rholley
    It strikes me that you writing from the USA, almost certainly because of the vocabulary you use.
     
    Patrick is writing from the UK, where it has been very easy to raise money through taxes (including the TV license fee) to spend on green issues.
     
    As a result, quite a few people have come to believe that AGW is a scam.  When one tries to comment on the subject on Telegraph Blogs, one is met with remarks like:
    So you can explain why the Earth was at the same average temp in 1997 as it was in 2011 with the largest increase in CO2 of the past 150 years?
    A reply such as
    And 1998 was a lot cooler.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F... puts it into perspective.
    Does not carry any weight with such as them.

    I have tried to point out that AGW is a great gravy-train generator, but when I suggest that as such it might be more effective if based on a real, rather than invented phenomenon, they do not seem to get the point.
    Robert H. Olley Quondam Physics Department University of Reading England
    Just re-read your first paragraph.
    When your opponent has dipped his gloves in glue and glass and has kicked you in the nuts, most people would agree that if you depart somewhat from the Queensbury rules the other side has no right to complain about your ethics.

    Reminded me of this little gem referring to a dotearth item. .

    Funniest comment I have yet seen in the ether:

    "So the Sharks and Jets are having a rumble in the playground and the Sharks are using motorcycle chains and knives on the unarmed Jets but one of the Jets has the temerity to throw a handful of sand into the face of one of the Sharks and Mr. Revkin calls “Foul play, sir, foul play!”?".

    A bit of levity every now and again always helps.

    MikeCrow
    Is this really your take on things?

    It's fascinating in a really sad way. Someday there's going to be a lot of research on how people fall so hard for memes that just feel right, but really aren't. It's probably the same way con men get their marks to buy in to whatever story they're telling.
    Never is a long time.
    Whoops. Omitted the link to the original comment.
    http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2012/02/20/already-going-to-hell-just-pumpi...

    Hank
    Is that really an accurate assessment?  Clearly Gleick thought so, but we have to consider he is a little mentally unstable.  Contending people outside science who are denialists have knives and chains while climate science has 98% of the media and 99.9% of scientists and an Academy Award winner/Nobel laureate and the entire UN yet never even uses the bully pulpit seems a little strange. Climate change has been a gold mine for non-science advocacy groups - they spend a lot more than denialists because they raise a lot more. 

    People warned climate scientists about this nonsense for a decade and even we warned of it for 6 years - climbing into the mud because of paranoid concerns that someone at Heartland will make a difference with $200K compared to billions on the other side is a bad idea because then it looks like a political issue rather than a science one. Scientists score very high in credibility among the public- except climate scientists, who don't even score high among other scientists.  The reason is because they let themselves be represented by those who seem to be interested in promoting the end of CO2 at all costs and it smacks of zealotry rather than science.

    The cult mentality of these people who keep making the news makes the public worry that the science is secondary and damages the reputation of 10,000 terrific climate scientists doing quality work.
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    rholley
    I’ve just read Scientist who lied to obtain Heartland documents faces fight to save job on the Grauniad  website.

    What these commentators can’t seem to understand is that while Gleick used skulduggery to unmask skulduggery, that (to me at least) is a political matter, and does not in itself compromise his scientific integrity.

     
    Robert H. Olley Quondam Physics Department University of Reading England
    Hank
    I agree, if it were just hacking some emails, it's no issue - I had no issue with the East Anglia CRU being hacked either, and the people outraged by that were using that as a way to dismiss the content's importance. 

    But the Pacific Institute seeks to have a reputation and tone that is positive:
    We envision a world where the basic needs of all people are met, where resources are managed sustainably and the natural world protected, and where conflicts over resources are resolved in a peaceful and democratic fashion.
    And its co-founder's behavior further smacks in defiance of 
    Donations to the Pacific Institute are tax-deductible and we never sell or trade personal information.
    Gleick went out of his way to divulge a lot of irrelevant (and personal) information about people at Heartland, and it had nothing at all to do with debunking that group's work.  If he fabricated evidence, it is more than political, it is a compromise of integrity and Pacific would have to accept its reputation as being a partisan political entity and not a science one, if that behavior is acceptable.
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    " If it weren't painfully obvious that Gleick himself authored the strategy memo..." anonymous @22Feb.

    Turns out that it's not obvious at all. http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/is_the_heartland_strategy_memo...
    http://www.shawnotto.com/neorenaissance/blog20120223.html

    Not sure I completely buy the argument that Heartland absolutely must deny the accuracy of the strategy document because it wasn't distributed to all board members. If it were so, then they would be in that position. It looks more like a draft or notes or something much more casual than a 'strategy' to my reading. (Or am I the only one who's ever sketched out my preferred outcome before a meeting just to get my head straight.)

    As I understand it Peter Gleick did not fabricate the documents or use sculduggery to get them. However, the method of verifying the documents was not entirely above board.

    Hearland crying foul rings more than a little hollow. Furthermore they seem to be implying forgery and theft at the same time, when that is a contradiction. Their story is far from consistant.

    Peter Gleick /Patrick Lockerby,
    Thanks for telling us your mind, Now we know that you can't be trusted as messanger of objective impartial science and henceforth your subsequent "scientific" rumbling are also suspicious. You may well fake your data and conclusions. You take it as war with all of us, so nice to know that you are man of the cause.What is then your problem with Lord Monckton being man of the cause? How he is different from you? Is he less objective or impartial? Yes there is difference, he was not caught in endorsing lies and theft. Well, he might support stooping a criminal with illegally possessed gun (say if you forgot to take a gun from your holster while crossing from Virginia to DC and see a robbery and you realize you can stop it, it will be illegal, but morally right) or recovering documents illegally withheld under FOIA , perhaps Mockton can do it. But, do not draw equivalences between taxpayer supported entities and private institutions. FOIA is a batman fighting crime with illegal means, Peter Gleick is just a thief.

    Anyway, I also want to disclose something: I think that you are a lunatic hoping that society catch up with your lunacies and discredited theories and you are angry that it does not and you think it is a solid reason for you to be a criminal. Well, I do not want idiots like you to do thinking for anyone. In regards to your lunatic goals, I want to see you hopeless, I want to see you desperate and I want you to freak out, so that the rest of us see that you are a paranoid and do not take you as message of reason anymore. And, ugh, thanks to G-D, you jut deed freaked and everyone can see your desperation and absence of cool. You are full of irrational emotional outbursts with which objectively thinking people will not sympathize.. Why should a think tank like HE apologize for being a think tank/propaganda machine. Would you like Greenpeace to apologize for the same? No? Why?

    Please show us more of your psychotic mind, so that we know what warmists are up to.Your outbursts are good for our cause, which is to stop idiots like yourself doing thinking for the public.

    If you identify yourself with Peter Gleick, the author of a fake Heartland strategy document, how will we ever know when you are deciding to tell us the truth?

    We have to suspect that all your truths are just expedient truths. You treat us all out here as fools to be manipulated.

    I have one question. If Pete is willing to bend a few rules to make a point about science (his view of science), just what else is he willing to do/bend to his data or methods to make his point about science(his view of science)?

    Pete you have no credibility now. The problem with a liar is that you never know where the lie ends and the truth begins.

    According to the rigors of scientific discipline,no theory is worthy of any consideration unless it implies the sort of evidence that would prove it wrong.Predictions based on the theory are tested against the facts.How many anomalous results are necessary to invalidate a proposition?To paraphrase Einstein....a mere one.Recent decades are replete with failed global warming predictions.Ergo the AGW theory has been discredited.