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    A Theory of Time - Part Three
    By Patrick Lockerby | April 2nd 2009 08:29 PM | 14 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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    Retired engineer, 60+ years young. Computer builder and programmer. Linguist specialising in language acquisition and computational linguistics....

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    Part 1, which begins our examination of the question 'what is time?' can be viewed here.
    Part 2 Some travels through time can be viewed  here.
    A proposed discussion of Foucault's pendulum has been postponed to a later part of this blog series.

    A Theory of Time

    Interlude

    What follows is a sample from many notes I have written for my language studies about how human language encodes notions of time. It is not a theory of cosmology. It is not quantum theory. These  deductions are mostly based on observable phenomena. There is some philosophical speculation.
    Please note where I submit, speculate or suggest.  At these points I am in conflict with established theories, so please do not mistake my suggestions for any established fact - especially if you are studying for school or college.

    ... we postulate that bodies uninfluenced by forces move in such a way that equal distances spell equal times...
    Sir Isaac Newton
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    A Brief Note on Time in language:

    The notion of time is embedded in a vast slice of every human language. Verbs have tenses for past, present and future events. Suffixes such as -ing, -tion, -ize, -ate, -en, -ify, -al generally denote processes. Processes are conventially described as changes over or during a time period, but, I suggest, they may as well be labelled as chains of causality.  There are words, proper nouns, which amount to a personification of time: March, Sunday, etc. There are locations in time: before, after, now, next, etc. In language we have a choice between the paradigms of time as noun, time as preposition and time as verb. An analysis of how language encodes time would fill a book. A very large book.
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    Wish-fulfilment:

    I believe that we are not born with a notion of time. Small children grasp the concept 'wish' long before they learn to read clocks. The child's wish-concept says 'I am hungry. If I wish hard enough for food, I will get fed.' The adult's wish-concept says 'I am hungry. If I just wish for food, I'll starve.'  As children grow they learn that wish-fulfillment requires making an effort. If the toy won't come to the child, then the child must go to the toy.

    A child soon learns that a personal change of location requires effort. In later life, this grasp of the facts of nature helps in the learning of the concepts of power and energy. A change of physical states equates to a change in energy states.  When we strain to hear something, we are literally straining our smallest muscles: the  tensor timpani and the stapedius. A tighter eardrum is more sensitive to sound than a more relaxed one.  We talk also of eye strain.  We become aware that mere observation requires the expenditure of energy.
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    The Word as an Arbitrary Sign.

    Many words for time can also be used for space. Before can mean in front of. After can mean behind. Next applies equally and indifferently to space and time. 'The next town after that' can mean next in space along a path, or next in time along a journey. Every journey requires the expenditure of effort in some way proportional to the length of the journey.

    It is but a small step from this to the concept of a human life as a journey. Having once formulated the journey concept, the question must be asked: 'a journey through, across or along what?'  I suggest that abstracting from the notion of life, with its beginning and end as a journey, it is but a small step to imagine any connected sequence of events as a journey.  And so, a chain of causality becomes a journey. 

    Since our ancestors could not journey through the air or the ground to any meaningful extent, they formulated the notion that a causal journey cannot be through the three dimensions of space.  Moreover, we have always been aware of a force pinning us to the ground.  I speculate that our ancestors, being aware of a sort of wishing that made them walk, would have discovered that however much they might wish it, they could travel neither forwards nor backwards in the journey through life.  I speculate that this led, in all languages, to the labelled intuition of a force restricting us to travel in only one direction through life.  Absent the power to abstract the sophisticated notion of inertia, the only option is to label and intuit a dimensional entity - time.

    In whatever natural human language, I suggest, there is no linguistic model of time in three dimensions like space.  When the human brain abstracts a lesser concept from a greater, or vice versa, it creates a need for a word to label it.  But the label for a newly grasped concept can be entirely arbitrary, and the label is no proof of the reality of any concept.  Just check out all words for describing the metaphysical - ghost, pixie, elf etc.
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    The sufficient and Necessary Components of Intuitive Time.

    I hold the view that time, as a space-like entity is an artifact of human cognition, which is not quite the same as an artifact of perception. I propose that the linguistic categories: space, change, energy and inertia are sufficient and necessary to the formulation of the linguistic category 'time'. I use the term 'inertia' here to mean 'resistance, reaction or opposition to any kind of change', a resistance which must be opposed by application of some kind of force. I shall try to show that 'time' is an intuitive grasp of the concept of 'inertia'- that the same mental 'inertia' categories - the 'inertia' processes of cognition - create the illusion that time is a reality.
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    Order and Sequence in the Brain's Neural Structures

    Ordering of stored information in the mind appears to be based on the notion that any two things may be mutually categorised in terms of a single attribute, provided only that at least one of the two has some quantity of that attribute. The relationship is an ordering relation based on comparison. It is reasonable to assume that somewhere in the brain is a neural structure which stores data such as the size sequence: mouse < cat < dog < elephant. This is object-memory. If event-memory is viewed as a sequential LIFO (Last In First Out) stack, then events will be stored in a LIFO sequence.

    Suppose now that the brain's linguistic-category invention, or labelling system is applied to this LIFO stack. Surely space metaphors will be applied: the brain determines categorisation similarities between the separations and sequences of objects in space and applies those as associative links to the LIFO stack. The space-labels: approaching, leaving, near, far, etc. will be adapted to the contents and comparisons in the LIFO stack. New labels are required for these LIFO categories, together with a supercategory label.

    In a very real sense, any property of a LIFO stack is an emergent property of the way the LIFO stack works. If event memory can be shown to operate on a hard-wired LIFO principal, then any intuitive reality, such as sequence in time, derived from LIFO operation can be shown to be an artifact of the LIFO stack's operation. Immanuel Kant saw that the mind could not function as a container that simply receives data. Something has to give order to the incoming data. Images of external objects have to be kept in the sequence in which they were received.

    Conclusion: This LIFO ordering, I suggest, together with the application of an A resembles B labelling system,  causes the mind's intuition of time.

    Footnote: I shall take on board all comments and try to address them in the next part of this discussion.
    Continued in part 4

    Comments

    Gerhard Adam
    Interesting point about the LIFO stack as an ordering structure, but consider that in the absence of an independent way of expressing time (i.e. calendar, clock), then events must be connected to some external phenomenon to establish the relationship.

    For example, one might consider an event in the past when a river flooded, or when a tornado came through, or some other event that plants a "stake" in a particular point in time and is used as a reference for the information that is to follow.  The notion of clocks and calendars, simply creates an independent source to which all adherents can relate their event.
    logicman
    Gerhard:  I have been going over your other comments and I note that you are so often ahead of the game.

    And boy! I do so hate that!

    Two chains of causality can be synchronised if there is a single cause or effect that has even one property that an observer intuits to be common to both chains.  Hint: one of these chains may be what you or I might know better as a clock.

    There! Are you happy now?

    But seriously, you have been ahead of me in so many ways.  And Becky Jungbauer was ahead of me in the matter of a child's perception of time.  Now, if I praise you for that, am I not praising myself? 

    Your call.  :)
    Gerhard Adam
    Thank you, and you do deserve praise since this has definitely sparked some very interesting discussions and dialogue.
    Stellare
    Very interesting description of the human perception of time and how it is embedded and developed in our languages. It is still not really addressing the physical concept of time; I think your LIFO is very interesting in the context of computer theory and linguistics, but not as physics.

    Time is, by the way, extremely important in geodesy. GPS, one of the most famous geodetic space technologies, rely on highly accurate clocks to be able to give us the precise and accurate positions that we need in many applications. I might write about that at some point. :-)

    Maybe Hank will gather all the time posts in one place, covering the topic from various angles as we are about to do here on Scientificblogging.com?
    Bente Lilja Bye is the author of Lilja - A bouquet of stories about the Earth
    logicman
    I'll take your last point first, Bente.
    Maybe Hank will gather all the time posts in one place, covering the topic from various angles as we are about to do here on Scientificblogging.com?
    It would be great if Hank could do a piece linking all blogs on time here to the accepted theories 'out there' .
    'A Long-Winded History of Time', Hank

    Of course, considering Hank is so busy, he may not be able to find the time.

    GPS, one of the most famous geodetic space technologies, rely on highly accurate clocks to be able to give us the precise and accurate positions that we need in many applications. I might write about that at some point.
    If you do write about GPS, be sure to explain to the general public about how time delays and parallax are factored in.  And then link it to my Moon Hoax debunk, I need all the plugs I can get.

    Be gentle with me, Bente. Why does everybody keep jumping the gun here?  ;)

    I am just blogging as many perspectives on time as I know.  Eventually, I intend to show that, if we had a different concept, based on the way the brain works and what our understanding of the cosmos might be without a completely abstract 'time' concept, a mathematician might abstract from the (solved)  n-body equations a quantity 't' that would be extremely useful in making mathematical functions more compact and efficient.  But it would be accepted by a consensus of mathematicians as a pragmatic quantity, like the square root of minus one.

    I am already working on the Foucault pendulum section - it builds up discussions of inertia, momentum and the whole 'action at a distance' debate from Newton's era to Einstein's.  Please be warned that when I get to the topic of frames of reference, you may want to have a bottle of strong drink handy, some play-clay and a soothing woollen blanket.  As always, thumb sucking is entirely optional.

    Edit:  I'll come back to the LIFO 'not real in physics' argument after a few more coffees - and then a few more.  :)
    Hank
    "It would be great if Hank could do a piece linking all blogs on time here to the accepted theories 'out there' . 'A Long-Winded History of Time', Hank? " I wouldn't know how to do it. Sure, "Articles you don't need to read this week" or compilations on a topic like evolution I can do but that is either funny or narrow ... time??? One of our more philosophically astute (i.e. not me) contributors would have to tackle something that big.
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    Stellare
    Hank, people do care about 'time'. There are not many well written articles on time, and my experience is that the topic engage a large and varied group of people.

    I suggest we do it slightly more elaborate than a compilation on a topic. Let's say we can put together an article on time (title to be decided later) with contribution from the following dividing the work among us.

    Patrick - Time in linguistics, maybe together with Becky?
    Bente - Time in geodesy - GPS, VLBI etc that includes a technical application of time with some of the most advanced technologies there is like Hydrogen masers etc.
    Georg  - time in physics. I suspect he'd be able to write up the basic concept of time both newtonian and relativistic since he's doing related work (my guessing here :-)) in his daily life.
    Gerhard - Philosophical take on time? I've noticed he often contributes along these lines here in SB so maybe he could add a little something to the story.

    Add a few nice pictures and illustrations and I think we can make a hit on time! For real, Hank! You're the editor, that is all you have to do, really. :-)

    Most of the work here is already done in articles and, not forgetting, the discussions!
    Bente Lilja Bye is the author of Lilja - A bouquet of stories about the Earth
    Stellare
    I am being gentle, Patrick! :-) I can assure you would notice if in fact 'guns' were involved. Hahaha

    The concept of time is really interesting. And though I suspect we won't agree on some fundamentals here, I genuinely appreciate your linguistic approach. I honestly think your take on this enlighten our understanding of time. Just not the physical aspect of it. ;-)

    Keep it coming. You engage an interesting discussion on this site. :-)

    Bente Lilja Bye is the author of Lilja - A bouquet of stories about the Earth
    logicman
    Bente: I look forward to seeing your article on geodesy.

    Gerhard:  thanks for probing my brain with your razor sharp red hot poker.  Oh! How I love to mix metaphors.  I find that it makes the morning mists that cloud our reason evaporate in the heat of the night.

    Since you all enjoy jumping ahead of me so much - what is my take on Steno's law of superposition?

    Answers on a 10 dollar bill to -
    Gerhard Adam
    Steno's law of superposition = geological LIFO stack
    logicman
    Excellent, Gerhard.  Top marks for geology!

    Now write out 100 times on the chalkboard:
    Mud is not one of the 4 food groups.
    since nobody likes a smartass.  ;)
    "I believe that we are not born with a notion of time."
    Sometimes I read things here that leave me utterly flabbergasted. Or I completely can't understand what you mean by "notion". Less than the mother delivering her child it is now clear that it is the foetus that takes the initiative and gives hormonal signals to the mother to open up her uterus and let it out to breathe. Maybe you're not informed about this, or don't agree, but let's agree that there is at least a strong coordination, or synchronisation, in the delivery process. I would even be so bold to use the expression that the foetus knows it's time and lets the mother know it too.
    Sounds english enough, doesn't it? And I would say that the lion "knows" when to get out of the grass and start running for the wildebeest. Not too early and not too late, and there's a lot of calculating going on in the lion's brain about speed and distance and time, before she jumps. I'm not afraid to call that "knowledge".
    Even corals in the Great barrier reef know when to release their eggs and sperm in a concerted action. I thought it was the week after full moon in August. Other reefs have other calendars.
    Babies and animals and plants know this because they're all living. They are made of life. Life is a process. Process supposes time. Without time no life, no plants, animals or babies. The process "foetus" implies giving off a hormone signal after 9 months, which leads to the process "delivery". That the foetus can't read the clock or calendar is irrelevant.

    Gerhard Adam
    I think you're missing the point.  Nobody is arguing that processes don't have cycles or rhythms which determine behaviors.  The problem is whether there is something that could be called an "intellectual concept of time".  I can coordinate activities or events without having a sense of "time" as a separate trait in the universe. 

    We clearly recognize that events occur in a specific order, and consequently we develop our sense of time as a means of uniformly marking the difference between the occurrence of such events.  However, the question comes down to whether such measurements ARE time, or whether they are merely an artifact of how we assess change?  In other words, does time actually exist as a specific property of the universe, or is it only something that living systems us to mark change?
    Sorry Gerhard,
    I'm not missing any point, I was replying to one of the opening sentences of Padraighs post. I think "intellectual concept of time" not so interesting. While you're wielding the chalk, you might mind your ass. While thinking about time, you might consider yourself, who is made of time. So what is real, if not yourself?